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The POTUS writes his post as if all the rhetoric coming from NATO and Zelensky is 100% true and therefore assures them of victory on their own, without US $ help, "With time, patience, and the financial support of Europe and, in particular, NATO."

If what they have said is true, then they should have no doubt of winning. He points to all their exaggerations and says (paraphasing), well based on what I've learned, Ukraine, "which has Great Spirit" can take back all its land and maybe even go further (take some Russian land). As he exits the Ukraine war political arena, President Trump wishes good luck to all.

Well, Zelensky kept saying Trump was ignorant and didn't know whom to trust, so President Trump is trusting the NATO/Zelensky propaganda and sees no need for the US to support Ukraine.

Throughout this war, the US has supplied the money for the salaries, pensions of Ukraine's government in addition to countless other expenses and emergency services. This allows Zelensky to posture as if he is on the cusp of victory.

1 posted on 09/23/2025 1:03:05 PM PDT by ransomnote
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Yep, we’re done. We’ll sell NATO stuff that the EU puts up the money for and let them have at it.


2 posted on 09/23/2025 1:05:29 PM PDT by 1Old Pro
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3 posted on 09/23/2025 1:07:37 PM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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😂😂😂😂😂😂

Good Bye and good luck, Little Zelya!


4 posted on 09/23/2025 1:09:26 PM PDT by kiryandil (No one in AZ that voted for Trump voted for Gallego )
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I think you are reading this right.
Europe’s war to fund, fight, and die for.
Trump stands aloof.


5 posted on 09/23/2025 1:15:42 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (🦅 MAGADONIAN ⚔️ LIFE )
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Russia has been fighting aimlessly for three and a half years a War that should have taken a Real Military Power less than a week to win. This is not distinguishing Russia. In fact, it is very much making them look like “a paper tiger.”

President Donald J. Trump

6 posted on 09/23/2025 1:16:19 PM PDT by tlozo (“We get a lot of bullshit thrown at us by Putin, if you want to know the truth,” Trump)
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Sounds like he’s washing his hands of the whole affair. About time.


7 posted on 09/23/2025 1:17:02 PM PDT by Texas Eagle ("Throw me to the wolves and I'll return leading the pack"- Donald J. Trump)
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Excellent news.

I hope both sides lose.

L


8 posted on 09/23/2025 1:18:49 PM PDT by Lurker ( Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.l)
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Well, finally Trump has acknowledged that the ukraine war is an european and nato thing.

Surely now, there are many ukraine propagandist on here, that would gladly voluntarily enlist in the grifter’s zelensky’s army to fight against Russia now...


9 posted on 09/23/2025 1:20:12 PM PDT by backpacker_c
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If this isn't a farewell note, then there's no such thing as a farewell note. Glad we're finally out.

To the EW: Now go drag your broke, woke, busted-out, Muslim-wrecked countries into Tiny Homo Dancer's and Hitler V Putin's mess. I'm sure Mohammed, Ahmed, Ahmad, Mahmoud, Hassan, Ali etc. etc. etc. are just chomping at the bit to go and fight for you stupid, EuroTrash cucks.

Good luck to all! Lololol!

11 posted on 09/23/2025 1:26:07 PM PDT by Rocco DiPippo (Either the Deep State destroys America or we destroy the Deep State. -Donald Trump)
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“on their own” means we are spending billions to build new factories and refurbish old weapon factories to keep Ukraine supplied in weapons, the president also is training the Ukrainian armed forces and is spending billions to maintain and move troops around to various NATO border nations like the Baltics and Finland and spending billions to preposition weapons and stocks as a defense against Russia while the president expends political capitol as he continues to try and force Europe away from Russian energy and to have harsher sanctions, and to participate more and continue building up their militaries and military budgets.

Outside of demanding help with funding from the rest of NATO, the President’s support for Ukraine is pretty much the same.


12 posted on 09/23/2025 1:26:19 PM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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I don’t know as if I would call Russian a paper tiger. If they decide to take things unconventional then they would be far from a paper tiger.


14 posted on 09/23/2025 1:27:37 PM PDT by Revel
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I will stand with Trump on this one.


18 posted on 09/23/2025 1:34:48 PM PDT by rrrod (6)
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Do the Euro countries really want to fight Russia without the US? I find that hard to believe. What I think they are planning is to provoke Russia into attacking a NATO country and then expect the US to become involved. The deep state in both the US and Europe seem intent on war with Russia and will do all they can to keep this war going.


19 posted on 09/23/2025 1:35:31 PM PDT by jimwatx
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We are making money off the war so Trump has stated so many times in so many ways. It is a shame that Trump is helping to disarm Ukraine by introduction of more arms and equipment. He is trying to save as much of the investment of time and effort by the US since 2008s first US coup in Ukraine, and the second coup in 2012. As long as the US controls some part of Ukraine, it is a sort of victory where we controlled none of it prior to 2008.

Russia is now patiently disarming the AFU by killing their soldiers enmasse. By the end of Nov-Dec 25, Russia will send another 300,000 men to exploit the fall of the Ukrainian cities. Russia is destroying the AFU. Trump is making money.

If Trump was actually interested in saving lives, he would have ended the war but his greed has turned America into profiting off the war as if this is a good thing. Trump really just wanted to salavage any part of Ukraine, but the major miscalculation the west made in this conflict with Russia is that the Russian economy has exploded and their military has expanded nearly 4x from 2022. The Russian military and economy is expanding. Russia is essentially fighting a police action, rather than a war. Russia has the luxury of being able to kill Ukrainians with stand off munitions rather than sending in the infantry to close with and destory. Ukraine is so short of infantry they can no longer man the trenches and oftentimes Russia takes defensive fortiticaitons without firing a shot. At this state of the war, Ukraine is beginning to realize they cannot stop the Russians anywhere and that they are suffering massive casulaties compared to the Russians as their units disengrate under constant contact without relief. No longer does Ukraine have units to plug the gaps, and their over-realiance on drones to replace infantry is now costing them the ability to hold land as in the past.

Sanctions have failed. Trump has put Brics on steroids, and now Russia has more trade partners than the EUropeans.


24 posted on 09/23/2025 1:42:52 PM PDT by Jumper
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Trump will not let Russia threaten or attack Eastern Europe which is what they are now doing. We’re not getting out, we’re getting in but we will be hiding behind NATO. General Caine is on the job. Watch for Russian retreats in the coming months. Putin has lost his mind or is doing the bidding of China. Either way Russia is going to experience pain.


29 posted on 09/23/2025 1:51:08 PM PDT by McCarthysGhost
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Gemini analysis

A statement from a national leader is not just an observation; it is an instrument of national policy and a strategic communication tool. Its goal is to shape reality, not just describe it.

Here is an analysis of the strategic implications of such a presidential statement:

### The Statement as an Act of Strategic Communication

When a president makes a statement like the one you provided, it is intended to have specific effects on multiple audiences:

1. **To Ukraine (The Ally):** The primary purpose is to bolster morale and signal unwavering commitment. By framing victory as not only possible but achievable (”Ukraine, with the support...is in a position to fight and WIN”), the statement encourages Ukrainian forces and its people to maintain their resolve. It serves as a public guarantee of continued material support.

2. **To Russia (The Adversary):** This is a form of psychological warfare. The language used—describing Russia as a “paper tiger” and highlighting its “BIG Economic trouble”—is deliberately designed to undermine confidence within the Russian government and military. It aims to create the perception that time is not on their side and that their war effort is doomed to fail, potentially exacerbating internal political divisions.

3. **To NATO and other Partners (The Alliance):** The statement acts as a leadership call-to-action. It sets a clear and ambitious policy goal: the complete restoration of Ukraine’s original borders. This pressures other allies to align their efforts and resources toward achieving this decisive outcome, rather than settling for a frozen conflict or a negotiated stalemate. The specific phrasing, *”We will continue to supply weapons to NATO for NATO to do what they want with them,”* is significant. It affirms the supply commitment while reinforcing the operational leadership of the alliance in executing the strategy.

4. **To a Domestic Audience (The Public):** The statement serves to justify the significant financial and military expenditure involved in supporting Ukraine. By painting a picture of a weakened adversary and a valiant ally on the cusp of victory, it frames the support not as an endless drain on resources, but as a strategic investment in a just cause that is yielding results.

### Strategic Implications and Realities

While the presidential rhetoric is optimistic and designed to inspire confidence, it operates in the context of the same military realities discussed before:

* **Political Will vs. Military Fact:** The statement is a declaration of **political will**. It is a leader saying, “This is the outcome we are determined to achieve.” However, this will must still contend with the military facts on the ground—Russia’s defensive fortifications, its large reserves of manpower, and the immense difficulty of large-scale offensive operations.
* **Creating a Self-Fulfilling Prophecy:** The ultimate goal of such a statement is to help create the conditions for its own success. By guaranteeing support, it encourages Ukraine to plan for longer-term, more ambitious operations. By projecting Russian weakness, it may deter wavering Russian troops or officials. By unifying allies, it ensures the resource pipeline remains open.
* **Setting a High Political Bar:** Declaring a total victory as the goal is also a politically risky move. It creates a high expectation for success. Anything less than the full liberation of Ukrainian territory could be perceived as a failure, creating future political challenges.

In summary, when this analysis comes from a president, it transcends mere opinion and becomes a deliberate act of statecraft. It is using the power of public declaration to define the goals of the conflict, motivate allies, demoralize the enemy, and solidify domestic and international support for a long-term, high-stakes strategy.


30 posted on 09/23/2025 1:51:35 PM PDT by Raycpa
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We don’t have the capability to produce arms at the rate we have been giving them away.

“96 HIMARS
The USA plans to produce approximately 96 HIMARS (High Mobility Artillery Rocket System) units per year. This production capacity is expected to be achieved by the end of 2024, with a request for information indicating a target of 96 units through fiscal 2028.”
-Newsweek


33 posted on 09/23/2025 2:04:34 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (Annnd....TRUMP IS RIGHT AGAIN.)
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My take on Trump is that he is forcing Putin to come to the table to negotiate a settlement.


35 posted on 09/23/2025 2:13:11 PM PDT by Presbyterian Reporter
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Ukraine has absolutely no chance of getting any territory back.

Ukraine can only lose more territory and lives by continuing the war.

39 posted on 09/23/2025 2:16:33 PM PDT by Kazan
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And India and China, enjoy the oil that kills europeans. Enjoy the olympics and elevtric car market there.


50 posted on 09/23/2025 2:47:40 PM PDT by If You Want It Fixed - Fix It
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