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How do US Topo maps differ from historical USGS topographic maps?
usgs.gov ^ | I don't know, they won't tell me | Someone at the U.S. Geological Survey

Posted on 08/31/2025 4:41:54 PM PDT by kawhill

Historically, USGS topographic maps were made using data from primary sources including direct field observations. Those maps were compiled, drawn, and edited by hand. By today's standards, those traditional methods are very expensive and time-consuming, and the USGS no longer has funding to make maps that way.

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TOPICS: History; Reference
KEYWORDS: gulfofmexico; maps; topographic; usgs
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1 posted on 08/31/2025 4:41:54 PM PDT by kawhill
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To: sauropod

Review


2 posted on 08/31/2025 4:58:08 PM PDT by sauropod
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To: kawhill
One of the main differences is that the historical USGS 7.5-minute topographic map series (produced 1945-1992) included feature classes that are not yet shown on US Topo maps (though more are added each year). Examples include recreational trails, pipelines, power lines, survey markers, many types of boundaries, and many types of buildings.

Which makes the older paper maps more valuable if you hike or use the maps for off-roading.

3 posted on 08/31/2025 5:00:15 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono
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To: kawhill

Great post.

I remember in my youth paying close attention to a USGS topo map near Lexington Park, MD.

It was under glass bt virtue of my Uncle who was a Navy test pilot. Thereafter I acquired a few hard copy maps, but it is apparent that new tech is making that info more accurate and accessible.

The USGS hard copy maps are worth preservation, framing, and otherwise curious scrutiny.


4 posted on 08/31/2025 5:03:02 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew (Are you now, or have you ever been, a Democrat?)
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To: kawhill

While in the Army, I had the opportunity to visit a side-lined boxcar that was filled with all the latest USGS maps. Later while in school, I worked in a map library and cataloged thousands of USGS maps that had piled up in a backlog. It was a little depressing to replace maps I had already cataloged with its newer edition. Interestingly, the university somehow acquired a set of topographic maps from Nazi Germany and every sheet was stamped with a spread-wing eagle clutching a wreathed swastika.


5 posted on 08/31/2025 5:05:32 PM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: Fester Chugabrew

The last thing we need is AI involvement


6 posted on 08/31/2025 5:06:04 PM PDT by George from New England (escaped CT back in 2006)
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To: Inyo-Mono

Yeah, the old ones also had labels on ore deposits and mines.


7 posted on 08/31/2025 5:06:24 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: Fester Chugabrew

I threw away many about 5 years ago. Didn’t think I’d get to those places again, and haven’t.


8 posted on 08/31/2025 5:10:57 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (Annnd....TRUMP IS RIGHT AGAIN.)
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To: Inyo-Mono

I love those maps, used to work with them a lot as base maps for other things. Another great feature found on the USGS topo sheets (going from my very old memory) is the magnetic north arrow compared with with True North arrow and how much deviation there has been over the years... comes in handy when using a compass & the GPS goes wonky.


9 posted on 08/31/2025 5:11:32 PM PDT by Jarvis Law 2.0
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To: George from New England

The last thing we need is AI involvement.


Please elaborate. The use of accurate, current satellite input could easily be rendered in various formats.

AI, as far as I know, has little to do with those tools, but it could.


10 posted on 08/31/2025 5:15:30 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew (Are you now, or have you ever been, a Democrat?)
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To: BradyLS

I went to a university that had a map room in the science library. Everything from official maps to old gas station maps.

Hours of entertainment.


11 posted on 08/31/2025 5:24:24 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: kawhill
Accurate maps are so overrated! Back in the 1980s, my family and I successfully toured the whole country using only a map that my son drew.

Disclaimer: We did get lost in Kansas for about a month. But that was all part of the fun.

12 posted on 08/31/2025 5:26:49 PM PDT by Leaning Right (It's morning in America. Again.)
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To: Leaning Right

Haha, great map. Are you sure you were in Kansas? Coulda been in Missouri, Illinois, Kentucky, or Indiana.

Very cute.


13 posted on 08/31/2025 5:32:05 PM PDT by FamiliarFace (I got my own way of livin' But everything gets done With a southern accent Where I come from. TPetty)
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To: kawhill

Get topoView and you have a selection of historic and current maps with different scales. You can download to several different formats including jpeg, pdf and kmz.

https://ngmdb.usgs.gov/topoview/viewer/#4/40.01/-100.06


14 posted on 08/31/2025 5:32:26 PM PDT by CedarDave (An old saw: “How do you know Democrats are lying? Their lips are moving.”)
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To: Inyo-Mono

The absence of survey markers is unacceptable.


15 posted on 08/31/2025 5:32:48 PM PDT by Retain Mike ( Sat Cong)
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To: Leaning Right

Utah’s missing. Oh well.


16 posted on 08/31/2025 5:35:04 PM PDT by virgil (The evil that men do lives after them )
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To: virgil

> Utah’s missing. Oh well. <

Ha! And that explains why we were never able to find the Great Salt Lake.
😀


17 posted on 08/31/2025 5:38:43 PM PDT by Leaning Right (It's morning in America. Again.)
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To: kawhill

Like Ahnold said, I’ll be back.


18 posted on 08/31/2025 5:41:24 PM PDT by crusty old prospector
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To: BradyLS
One of the things a relative brought back from "The War" was a Michelin map of "Allemagne (Ouest)" dated 1944 that was printed on the back of an older, Nazi-issued map showing part of Scotland, complete with a German map legend at the bottom (perfect for Operation Sea Lion travel)... but it also had a big red "X" overprinted across the whole of that side. Parisian paper recycling at its best.

By August of 1944, the Germans' investment in topo maps of the UK were not returning much of a dividend. My relative, however, got a dandy map out of it all to help him navigate what was left of the Thousand Year Reich's road network.

19 posted on 08/31/2025 5:53:24 PM PDT by niteowl77
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To: Leaning Right

Given the mid-west “I don’t know” region, I’m inclined to think that the area of Vermont/New Hampshire that’s labeled “Idfk” is “I don’t flipping know”. AmIright?


20 posted on 08/31/2025 6:11:06 PM PDT by dayglored (This is the day which the LORD hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it. Psalms 118:24)
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