FReeper Help Needed - 5,000 Year Project (vanity)

Nully and U.S. patent 11,993,421 | 8/4/25 | Nully

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FReeper Help Needed - 5,000 Year Project (vanity)

Yes, I’m serious. Yes, it really is a 5,000 year project. No, I’m not expecting to be around for the whole thing.

Available geological, isotopic and cultural evidence strongly suggests that the Earth goes through periodic disasters. We get a major disaster every 12,000 years with “minor” disasters in the midpoints at 6,000 years.

See the background video here (skip the starting ad and ignore the long expired fundraiser at the end) for information about the 6,000 year half cycle.

The last 6,000 year event was informally called the Noah event, but geological confirmation was then found in Tianchi China, and it is now formally called the Tianchi (or Tian Xi) event in keeping with first discovery place naming convention.

The next major disaster is expected 6,000 years after the Tianchi event, that’s about right now.

No matter what form the ‘final straw’ event takes, be it a solar micronova, a truly high mortality global pandemic, a world war, massive vulcanism, or whatever, it will wipe out enough talent that electrical power and communications worldwide cannot be maintained.

High tech civilization collapses.

Who or what is left? Since geological traces of named 12,000 year events go back 72,000 years, it’s reasonable to expect they’ve been occurring for a much longer time. We, as a species have survived them all. We’re pretty tough, some of us will survive the next one.

Please watch this short (1:45) AI promo video

Their descendants are the target audience of this project. When there are enough of them to spur the reinvention of a written language they will be able to recognize the contents as a message, and the learning tools in the archives will enable them to decipher it.

This only requirement from future discoverers, that they have the concept of a written language. The initial capsule will have a picture dictionary and a sounding board to make all 44 English phonemes.

Although we can’t stop the disaster, we can ameliorate some of the effects. We can aid the survivors’ descendants in recovering civilization. We can help them with a post global catastrophe civilization reboot with 30,000 books in a human readable format. Everything from smelting metals, to the horse collar and plow, to crop rotation, to soap and sanitation, to art and culture, to the scientific method, to simple machines, everything from grinding grain, cotton gin, saw mill, machine tools like drills, lathes, etc., all the way up to having a representative democracy and so much more!

It would be like Colonial America getting a time capsule from Atlantis!

How will we do it?

Please refer to the full patent here as I go through the steps and reasoning behind them:

The first thing you see is a pyramid. This is a little misleading, when we see a pyramid we think the Great Pyramid of Giza. The project’s pyramids are about as tall as a man, but there are hundreds, maybe a thousand of them.

• What started this project? The original idea was to use standard fired red clay construction bricks with laser engraved text into their surfaces. It’s legible and unaided eye readable.
• Why brick? The oldest written records known when I started were 5,000 year old Babylonian cuneiform fired clay tablets. Bricks are affordable, available and easy to handle. The original vision was a structure of laser marked bricks with unaided eye readable text. See (FIG. 7). This had a low data density, only a few books in a structure.
  Obviously the thing to do with bricks is build something.
• Why a pyramid? Pyramids are symbols of permanence. They have a track record of surviving thousands of years. Pyramids don’t fall over. The sloped sides deflect impacts, tornado driven debris, flood waters, etc.
• Why so small? The intent is they be discoverable, but not so discoverable they would be targeted in a cultural revolution bent on destroying the past. The 6 foot height is sufficient to hold roughly 30,000 books worth of text on enclosed plates.
• Do you really expect people 5,000 years from now to be able to read English? No. I expect them to be able to read their own language and make the leap that they could read this strange writing. I expect them to be able to follow pictographic instructions on how to open the cans. The top can contains a microscope, a projector and a maybe a telescope. It also has plates with large unaided eye readable text and a pictographic dictionary, followed by several plates of primers, and an audible pronunciation guide. See (FIG. 17), it’s got the same audio undulation encoding as the 1905 Edison phonograph patent. Run the enclosed strummer down the grooves as shown in (FIG. 21) and hear all of the phonemes in the English language.

How do we get more useful information into a small package? We borrow a page from the semiconductor industry and make very small pages! See (FIG. 12). This is a 125x125 mm (≈5x5”) glass plate with over two thousand 2x2,5 mm pages. The plates are 1 mm thick and can be packed into cushioned steel cans (FIG. 9, 11) with can openers (FIG. 10) attached. The sealed cans are placed in 30 vaults as shown in cross section (FIG. 2) 16 on the bottom layer, then 9, 4, 1.

• Why 2x2.5 mm pages, why not smaller? The requirement is readable by people in a preindustrial society. There won’t be electron microscopes. We can enclose simple available light microscopes (FIG. 13). The limit of useful optical magnification is 500x, above that you’re only magnifying a blur.
• Why the yellow light filter? (FIG.13, #1304) Chromatic aberration. All glass lenses spread the wavelengths of light out and create rainbows around features. This is minimized with complex stacks of different types of glass carefully ground to exactly match curves and glued together. Because the glues are organic the will break down over time and fog the lenses. By limiting the wavelengths we limit the dispersion.
• Why pick yellow? It’s near the peak sensitivity of the human eye and has better contrast than the peak green.
• Why not color correcting optics that are available off the shelf? Simple few lens construction gives the finders the possibility of making their own microscopes and telescopes, lowering the threshold to independence from ancient artifacts.
• What about internal reflections? Another requirement is no coatings that could degrade, flake off or otherwise fail over time. They’re just going to have to live with it until their grasp of technology catches up.
• You keep talking about technology, is that all you intend to preserve/resurrect? No. I’m glad you asked. I’m an engineer, and that does affect my presentation. Once again no. The goal is to allow our descendants to live long, healthy, and full lives. I want to armor them with technology for the creature comfort things, but that’s not enough. I want them to know the classic philosophers, the moral lessons from fables, the wonders of the unknown.

  I want them to have the ability to reason and to recognize falsehoods, have the spirit of adventure to know the founding documents of our culture, the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, the Bible, as well as the works of Shakespeare, and many other plays based on human nature, I want them to see themselves in a Greek tragedy. I want them to look up at the stars and wonder. I want them to read our fiction, know that it is fiction, and appreciate the authors’ imaginations and cultivate their own. I want them to instinctively help others where appropriate, to be good neighbors to all.

  I want to jump start them to shave off centuries of avoidable diseases, soil depletion, grinding poverty and dark ages. I want them to practice sustainable agriculture, animal husbandry, industry and promote general well being.

  I want them to have great dreams and accomplish great things.

I’ve got a clear picture of how to make an archive that will last 5,000 years. So why do I need FReeper help?

Lots of reasons.

Although I’ve worked for several start-ups, I don’t have the skills to start a start-up or run an organization, nor do I have the connections to woo suitable existing organizations. Some of the questions I have and skills needed include:

• Artwork? A cartoonist to make pictographic instructions for one. Library? Suggestions for 30,000 books. Librarians for how to organize them for the ultimate users.
• Home schoolers for insight to best ways to get a literate people up to speed when no modern language survives.
• Although it is extremely unlikely any current language survives, should there be English to x, y, z language dictionaries?
• What books MUST be included?
• What books should be explicitly excluded?
• What cut off point for technological advances? I think electricity before electronics, up to light bulb, and telegraph hint there is more and let them figure it out for them selves...
• Culture? Start with the Greeks and Romans, Egyptians or?
• Original language with translations or just the English language versions?
• Representatives? Who will market and sell the pyramid kits, etc.?
• Data translation, text and other types of files to GDSII for making the plates.
• And a hundred other things I don’t even know I don’t know!

Help

(Laz’s update of an old Soviet propaganda poster, and with Free Republic, all things really are possible!)

[Big Red Badger]

Seven Thousand Years...
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That’s What I’m Thinking.

[Hyman Roth]

Ask Keith Richards. He was around.

[PROCON]

[darth]

It may be possible to record sounds such as speech or music on clay or metal cylinders or disks.

Kinda like the first gramophones.

[Big Red Badger]

Auto Warranty Renewal....

[Oorang]

I found and read your patent (U.S. patent 11993421). Very interesting and quite the endeavor.

What books MUST be included?
Classics, i.e., Homer, Plato, etc.
Books covering the horrors of man, hopefully so they are not repeated. Example: books about the Third Reich, the holocaust (man's inhumanity to man).

What books should be explicitly excluded?
Comic books

Historical documents should be included. The Declaration of Independence, but as an American I am proudly biased.

Music, in some format, should be included. It is a universal language that evokes thought and emotion.

[Oil Object Insp]

Better yet, ask Keith Richards to teach them...... he’ll still be around....

[doorgunner69]

Maybe ebonics will be the lingua franca by then

[GOPJ]

Although we can’t stop the disaster, we can ameliorate some of the effects. We can aid the survivors’ descendants in recovering civilization. We can help them with a post global catastrophe civilization reboot with 30,000 books in a human readable format.

Isaac Asimov's Foundation Trilogy should be one of the books...Interesting theory Null. Thanks for giving us something to think about.

[21twelve]

There is a “doomsday” seed vault in Sweden - tunneled far into a mountain. Perhaps they would allow a 6-foot tall pyramid of information as well.

“Gee Frank - we have all of these containers with little things in them. What do you think they are? What should we do with them??”

[Erik Latranyi]

Musk’s desire to colonize Mars stems from a similar realization that mankind will not survive as a single planet species.

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Good idea.

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Asimov, yes Foundation trilogy. I’m also going to include Asimov’s Soviet Science Fiction as a good overview of the types of science fiction over time.

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Music would be very good, but the pre technological target audience could only get low quality sound. The few high tech high data density archives are much better suited. We will include maps to their locations for when they can read them.

Maybe musical notation and a xylophone and harmonica??

[Diana in Wisconsin]

“We get a major disaster every 12,000 years with ‘minor’ disasters in the midpoints at 6,000 years.”

So first 0bama, then Biden? ;)

[Diana in Wisconsin]

“I can help you for the next 3,000 years but I have other obligations after that.”

ROFLMAO! :

[Diana in Wisconsin]

“Personal Note: My dad led the program at GE to build the Radioisotope Thermal Generators that power the two Voyager spacecraft! RIP, dad. Well done!”

So cool! My Dad and Grandpa were both Machinists and Grandpa worked on the bombs that hit Japan to end WW2, and Dad worked on the ‘super secret’ space rockets to the Moon when President Kennedy challenged them to get there in 10 years.

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Sorta!

[GOPJ]

Great choice null...

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Key aspects of Asimov’s Soviet Science Fiction collections:

Bridging Cultures:

Asimov’s introductions to the collections emphasized his hope that the works would help bridge the cultural gap between the US and the Soviet Union during the Cold War.

Exploring Themes:
The stories within the collections often tackled complex themes like the nature of humanity, the potential impact of technology, and the possibilities and dangers of social engineering, often through a utopian or dystopian lens.

“Golden Era” of Soviet SF:
The period from the 1960s to the 1970s is considered a “golden era” for Soviet science fiction, as writers were able to explore a wider range of ideas and topics, including those that might have been restricted in other genres, according to Seattle Worldcon 2025.

“The Heart of the Serpent”:
One notable story in More Soviet Science Fiction is “The Heart of the Serpent,” which challenges the common science fiction trope of suspicion and fear in first contact scenarios, instead imagining a more positive and collaborative encounter between different species, according to Seattle Worldcon 2025.

“Stone from the Stars”:
Another story, “Stone from the Stars,” explores a scenario where a giant brain arrives on Earth as a messenger from another planet, according to Seattle Worldcon 2025.

Beyond Space:
The stories in these collections often went beyond traditional space exploration themes, delving into philosophical questions, societal structures, and the potential consequences of technological advancements.

“The End of Eternity”:
Asimov’s own novel, The End of Eternity, is also relevant to this topic. While not part of the Soviet collections, it deals with themes of time travel and social engineering, which were also explored in some of the Soviet stories.

[Carriage Hill]

BKMRK.