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1 posted on 08/03/2025 9:02:25 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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2 posted on 08/03/2025 9:04:33 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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Shouldn’t this be in “Breaking News”?


3 posted on 08/03/2025 9:06:14 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("Whatsoever he shall say to you, do ye." (John 2:5))
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The Socratic teaching method, works very well and fosters critical thinking in students. It really should be revitalized and used, to some extent today, but isn’t; sadly.


4 posted on 08/03/2025 9:07:37 PM PDT by nopardons
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The author touches it but isn't quite on target. Socrates was a royal pain in the butt to the democratic old government - a "gadfly" in his own words. He said that a democracy was the second worst form of government and pointed to some highly questionable decision during the Peloponnesian War by inflamed mob passions. (One of those was the conviction of the his student, the unquestionably brilliant Alcibiades, and his condemnation to death for impiety, which was what impelled Alcibiades to turn coat).

The worst form of government, he said, was a tyranny, which is exactly what the Spartans imposed after their victory. (This was letting them off easy, the Thebans wanted Athens utterly destroyed. The Spartans, knowing that would make the Thebans an unchallenged hegemon if they did, demurred.)

Thence the Thirty. Of whom, as the author points out, were some unpopular characters: Critias, perhaps the most ruthless, was one of Socrates' students, although Socrates repudiated him during the brief reign of the Thirty. Xenophon was also a student and one of the two chroniclers of Socrates' death. (He may even have been an enforcer for the Thirty but this is highly controversial). The other, Plato, wasn't there - he was quite a young man at the time, was also close to the families of the Thirty, and was in hiding for the most part. The death he describes in The Apology was pure fiction - dying of hemlock poisoning is anything but gentle and peaceful.

So the democrats overthrew the Thirty and returned to power in Athens, knowing that Socrates was a well-known critic and accusing him of being sympathetic to the reign of the Thirty (he was not). The charge of impiety was a ruse. They wanted rid of him and were expecting him to accept ostracism from Athens for ten years instead of drinking the hemlock. As he was in his 70's, tired and beat up from the tumultuous last couple of years, he preferred death in his city to death as a lonely traveler. It was, in fact, a political murder even if it wasn't quite what the accusers had in mind.

14 posted on 08/03/2025 9:36:18 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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Great article.

There is a high price to pay when not being compliant and thinking for oneself.

Anyone that denies that, ask someone that refused the Covid vaccine, or didn’t want to play the social distancing and mask games.


15 posted on 08/03/2025 9:39:58 PM PDT by Red6
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“I drank what?”


20 posted on 08/03/2025 10:01:36 PM PDT by Flag_This (They're lying.)
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Nobody told him he lock was poison.


25 posted on 08/03/2025 10:17:48 PM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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26 posted on 08/03/2025 10:39:55 PM PDT by HerrBlucher
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27 posted on 08/03/2025 10:48:55 PM PDT by aspasia
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ping


28 posted on 08/03/2025 10:54:52 PM PDT by Taxman (MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN! SUPPORT THE FAIRTAX!)
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That was a great article! Thanks for posting it!

If folks enjoyed reading about Socrates, I recommend looking next into the life of Sir Thomas More. Or you can cut to the chase and learn about his final days in the 1966 Academy Award Best Picture film “A Man for All Seasons.”


33 posted on 08/04/2025 12:28:36 AM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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Because, as he stated during his trial: I would rather speak after my manners and die than speak in the manners of this court and live.


35 posted on 08/04/2025 3:55:33 AM PDT by ReganFan4ever
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Thank you for sharing this. I really enjoyed reading it.

🙏🙏🙏


36 posted on 08/04/2025 4:13:37 AM PDT by tired&retired (Blessings )
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So when chi.drne ask “why” for the umpteenth time, don’t lose patience, they are bring Socratic


37 posted on 08/04/2025 4:31:27 AM PDT by Bob434 (Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana)
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Why don’t high school and college 101 philosophy classes ever teach Thomas Reid and the Scottish school of common sense, wouldn’t that make sense in traditional America and be better for kids than Nietzsche?


39 posted on 08/04/2025 4:35:19 AM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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He was taken back in time to San Bernadinas?


45 posted on 08/04/2025 5:39:35 AM PDT by Hyman Roth
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Chang was intolerable


48 posted on 08/04/2025 6:09:06 AM PDT by bert ( (KE. NP. +12) Where is ZORRO when California so desperately needs him?)
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It was a time when most of the world looked like cover of the Led Zeppelin album Houses of the Holy


49 posted on 08/04/2025 6:49:48 AM PDT by Jeff Vader
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Victor Davis Hanson uses the trial of Socrates as a teaching moment. It is an example of the problems with Athens’s style of “pure democracy.” The “jury” wasn’t necessarily a cross section of peers, but rather a semi- self selected group of Athenians with time and interest enough to show up and be entertained. Given a different day, the result could Ave been different.
I assume VDH is generally close to the truth.


52 posted on 08/04/2025 10:07:13 AM PDT by oldplayer
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He also liked billiards.


55 posted on 08/04/2025 1:39:39 PM PDT by Fledermaus ("It turns out all we really needed was a new President!")
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