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Can I Be a Jew-ish Catholic?
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Posted on 07/29/2025 9:36:37 AM PDT by DallasBiff

I grew up in two separate households and in two different countries. My family is originally from Ecuador but we have Spanish ancestry and Jewish roots. For the first eight years of my life I lived with my maternal grandparents in Ecuador. My grandfather was originally Christian but converted to Judaism and my grandmother was Jewish though not particularly observant. Our Judaism consisted of occasional visits to the synagogue and the observance of a few holidays.

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To: hoosierham

Jesus did say the Pharisees are correct in what they teach. I would have to agree that the Pharisees of that time and the rabbis (the Pharisees of today) of today are correct.


41 posted on 07/29/2025 11:30:19 PM PDT by Tom Tetroxide (Psalm 146:3 "Do not trust in princes, in the Son of Man, who has no salvation.")
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To: DallasBiff

The Jews during Eliyahu’s time had the same problem.

1 Kings 18:21 New International Version (NIV)

Elijah went before the people and said, “How long will you waver between two opinions? If the LORD is God, follow him; but if Baal is God, follow him.” But the people said nothing.


42 posted on 07/29/2025 11:33:13 PM PDT by Tom Tetroxide (Psalm 146:3 "Do not trust in princes, in the Son of Man, who has no salvation.")
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To: DallasBiff

You need permission and an “Ethnicity License” from:

- Democrat Party
- Anti-Fa
- New York Times
- Washington Post
- Leon Panetta, Podesta Bro.’s, Clintons
- EU / WEF / some court in Belgium
- ADL

If you regularly watch CNN / PBS.

On the other hand:

“Jesus Christ is my savior” <— you answered your question.


43 posted on 07/30/2025 12:02:31 AM PDT by linMcHlp
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To: TheThirdRuffian

Since you’re Catholic, it’s not surprising that you would make something so simple to be more complicated than it is.

Typical.


44 posted on 07/30/2025 4:15:29 AM PDT by Ken Regis (I concur )
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To: TheThirdRuffian

And, not only complicated but corrupted.


45 posted on 07/30/2025 4:19:46 AM PDT by Ken Regis (I concur )
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To: Ken Regis

It’s not complicated at all: once a Jew, always a Jew.

It’s actually the Orthodox Jewish answer.

And how Israel does immigration.


46 posted on 07/30/2025 4:54:05 AM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (Orange is the new brown)
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To: DallasBiff
"Messianic Judaism is the term given to the belief system of Jewish people who believe and have accepted Yeshua (the Hebrew name for Jesus) of Nazareth as the promised Messiah of the Hebrew Scriptures. These Jewish people do not stop being Jewish, but they continue to remain strong in their Jewish identity, lifestyle and culture, while following Yeshua as He is revealed in the Brit Chadashah, the New Covenant. Many Messianic Jews refer to themselves as “completed Jews,” since they believe that their faith in the God of Israel has been “completed” or fulfilled in Yeshua.

In reality, Messianic Judaism began 2,000 years ago. Yeshua Himself was an observant Jew, most of the apostles and writers of the New Covenant were Jewish, and the vast majority of the early believers in Yeshua were also Jewish (see Acts chapter 2). Traditional rabbinical Judaism today does not believe that Yeshua is the Jewish Messiah. Observant Jews are still waiting faithfully in accordance with the Rambam’s (Rabbi Moses Maimonides, 1134-1204) “Thirteen Principles of Jewish Faith,” which states in Principle 12, “I believe with perfect faith in the coming of the Messiah. However long it takes, I will await His coming every day.” Most secular Jews do not believe in the physical coming of a personal Messiah, but some still look forward to a general Messianic concept or Messianic Age.

Today, it is estimated that there are over 350,000 Messianic Jews in the world, and the numbers are growing all the time. Messianic synagogues have also become very popular, and recent estimates number more than 200 congregations in the U.S. There are also many Messianic congregations in Israel and around the world.

Messianic Jews continue to celebrate the Jewish festivals and feast days as prescribed in the Hebrew Scriptures (i.e., Feast of Weeks, Feast of Tabernacles, etc.), but their observances are meant to demonstrate how Yeshua has already fulfilled these Holy Days. Most Messianic Jews, if they celebrate Easter, remove the pagan influences and celebrate only what is given in the Bible—viz., the Passover. Jews who now follow Yeshua the Messiah understand that everything given in the Old Covenant was a “mere shadow” of the better things to come in the New." (Source: GotQuestions.org)

The more important question is "Can I be Catholic -- and be a Christian believing and following all of their stated beliefs and practices ?"

ESPECIALLY - if you simultaneously believe what the Bible says about salvation, grace, Jesus, the one true Church, Peter, works of the flesh, Mary, ... and a host of other subjects...

I won't reply to whatever you say in reply. Do your own study.

47 posted on 07/30/2025 5:12:13 AM PDT by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good. )
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To: DallasBiff

Listen to Rabbi Tovia Singer for a while and then see what you think.

https://www.youtube.com/@ToviaSinger1/videos


48 posted on 07/30/2025 7:10:47 AM PDT by Tom Tetroxide (Psalm 146:3 "Do not trust in princes, in the Son of Man, who has no salvation.")
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To: kinsman redeemer

“The more important question is “Can I be Catholic — and be a Christian believing and following all of their stated beliefs and practices ?”

I’m not sure I understand your question to the other poster.

Are you asking if a person be Catholic (and follow their beliefs/practices) and be a Christian?

Or, are you asking “Can I be a Messianic Jew and be a Christian?”

Or, are you asking “Can I be a Messianic Jew and be a Catholic?”

Sorry to bother you (and interrupt) but there is a non-specific pronoun in the question that I can’t follow.


49 posted on 07/30/2025 7:55:36 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Sometimes There Is No Lesser Of Two Evils)
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To: MeanWestTexan

I knew this would be entertaining!
But by now, I thought all of the usual suspects would have dropped in for a debate.

Non-specific pronoun?
Do you mean first person singular, nominative pronoun? (“I”)
It seems specific enough for me.

Perhaps you were thinking of the pronoun “zee” … now that’s what I call “nonspecific“.

Are you a zee?

LOL


50 posted on 07/30/2025 8:51:09 AM PDT by Ken Regis (I concur )
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To: Ken Regis

That’s not a particularly serious or constructive answer.

I’m not a participant in the debate and I don’t really have an opinion on the matter; I just am interested in the discussion, assuming it is serious and not garbage.

Your post seems intent on disruption.


51 posted on 07/30/2025 9:15:59 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Sometimes There Is No Lesser Of Two Evils)
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To: MeanWestTexan

Awww../

Oh well.


52 posted on 07/30/2025 7:00:02 PM PDT by Ken Regis (I concur )
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To: TheThirdRuffian
And how Israel does immigration.

False;

Jews who have converted to another religion are not eligible to immigrate under the Law of Return, even though they are still Jews according to halakha.

It is the one area of discrimination and persecution that the State of Israel courts affirmed against Jews who believe Yeshua/Jesus is the Messiah. It acknowledges they are Jews but refuses them the right to return to Israel (which right is truly only the Messiah's to grant; praise be to the Holy One of Israel who will guard and protect them).
53 posted on 07/30/2025 9:17:29 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 ( The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.=)
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To: MeanWestTexan
Well, did you have trouble following your "non-specific pronoun" (whatever that means) in the TITLE of the thread?

Are you asking if a person be Catholic (and follow their beliefs/practices) and be a Christian?

No. But it's a closer guess than your other choices. I asked:
"Can I be Catholic -- and be a Christian believing and following all of their stated beliefs and practices ?"
(First Person, singular -- just like the TITLE of the thread)

But if you need to re-word the question, you can try this:

Can a person be Catholic -- and be a Christian whilst believing and following all of the stated beliefs and practices of the 'Holy Roman Catholic Church' ?

ESPECIALLY - if that person simultaneously believes what the Bible says about salvation, grace, Jesus, the one true Church, Peter, works of the flesh, Mary, ... and a host of other subjects...

IOW - "Since so many of the beliefs and practices of the 'HRCC' are at odds with God's explicit Word, how could such a person claim to be a devoted Catholic AND a Christian?"

54 posted on 07/31/2025 5:53:43 AM PDT by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good. )
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To: kinsman redeemer

“Can a person be Catholic — and be a Christian whilst believing and following all of the stated beliefs and practices of the ‘Holy Roman Catholic Church’ ?”

Thank you very much.

I really just didn’t understand what you were asking the other poster.

I also don’t understand why everyone is so unpleasant when discussing these concepts.


55 posted on 07/31/2025 8:11:55 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Sometimes There Is No Lesser Of Two Evils)
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To: MeanWestTexan

The debate has been rolling since the beginning.

Many of the Catholics you see posting here are deeply entrenched in their false religion.

They refuse to hear.


56 posted on 07/31/2025 9:52:36 AM PDT by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good. )
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To: DallasBiff
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.

Romans 1:16 (NASB)

57 posted on 07/31/2025 9:56:24 AM PDT by gitmo (If your theology doesn’t become your biography, what good is it?)
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To: DallasBiff

Isn’t that like being a Corporal-Captain?


58 posted on 07/31/2025 10:01:36 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: dfwgator
You typed, "Isn’t that like being a Corporal-Captain?"

No.

Remember when the Apostle Paul, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit wrote,

For we are the circumcision, who worship by the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus and put no confidence in the flesh— though I myself have reason for confidence in the flesh also. If anyone else thinks he has reason for confidence in the flesh, I have more: circumcised on the eighth day, of the people of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews; as to the law, a Pharisee; as to zeal, a persecutor of the church; as to righteousness under the law, blameless. But whatever gain I had, I counted as loss for the sake of Christ. Indeed, I count everything as loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. (Phil 3:3-8a emphasis added for skimmers)

Here is something from a great website (that all of the Catholics on FR should bookmark and ask their questions):

Paul was a Jew who took great pride in his Jewish heritage. He lays out his Jewish credentials in Philippians 3:5–6: “If someone else thinks they have reasons to put confidence in the flesh, I have more: circumcised on the eighth day, of the people of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews; in regard to the law, a Pharisee.”

The fact that he was circumcised on the eighth day means that his parents followed the commandment God gave to Abraham in Genesis 17:2. He was an Israelite from the tribe of Benjamin, one of the two tribes that remained loyal to David’s line after the kingdom divided (see 1 Kings 12). It is also interesting that Israel’s first king, Saul, was of the tribe of Benjamin and Paul’s Hebrew name was Saul.
Although Paul was a Roman citizen (Acts 22:28) of the city of Tarsus (Acts 21:39), he was “a Hebrew of Hebrews,” meaning that he was raised according to Hebrew law and culture. He eventually moved to Israel and became a Pharisee (cf. Acts 26:5), which means that he was dedicated to keeping the Law in minute detail.

SOURCE: GotQuestions.org

Finally, to whom was the Book of Hebrews written? Catholics? No! it was to Jewish believers in Jesus Christ.

A Messianic Jew - sometimes called a "completed Jew" IS a Christian (because they have received our Lord and Savior and have trusted Him, by faith to restore the broken relationship with God that was evident since the day of their conception) and IS a Jew.

Your question exposes your misunderstanding - but that's okay, until now.

Go Deeper

59 posted on 07/31/2025 11:21:14 AM PDT by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good. )
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To: PoeToaster

Well, that depends. If Messianic Jews are still around in a century and have passed their faith down from generation to generation, eventually Jews will have to admit that there are Christian Jews as well as Buddhist Jews and atheist Jews, agnostic Jews and Marxist Jews. If on the other hand, Messianic Judaism is just a half-way house between Judaism and Christianity, the current attitude will continue.

In any case, though one may be ethnically Jewish and a Catholic (or Catholic by birth and ancestry and a Jew) one can’t be a believer or adherent of Judaism and Catholicism at the same time.


60 posted on 07/31/2025 11:43:45 AM PDT by x
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