Posted on 07/29/2025 9:36:37 AM PDT by DallasBiff
I grew up in two separate households and in two different countries. My family is originally from Ecuador but we have Spanish ancestry and Jewish roots. For the first eight years of my life I lived with my maternal grandparents in Ecuador. My grandfather was originally Christian but converted to Judaism and my grandmother was Jewish though not particularly observant. Our Judaism consisted of occasional visits to the synagogue and the observance of a few holidays.
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So, is it your opinion that Paul was just misunderstanding the commission when he went to Spain and Italy and preached to those who were not associated with the lost tribes?
Or do you think he thought they were from the lost tribes even though they didn’t think they were?
My daughter’s best friend since high school is a Jewish woman named Sarah. They were in each other’s weddings. Daighter and I both live in Spokane now because Sarah and her family live here. They have a beautiful house in the best part of town and we often go to dinner there. Thanksgiving was great. Lots of people, and little kids running around, both Christian and Jewish
I was raised Catholic, and my mother told me every day when I was a little girl, “You’re going to hell for that.” and “God will punish you for that”. I grew up believing that God was a mean old man in the sky who hated me. Went to Catholic high school and college. Nothing changed..
Went to a Synagogue several years ago in London while visiting Jewish friends.. God didn’t hate me there. Amazing.
Question: My sister was baptized and has since married and had a child. My mother claims the child is Jewish, but how could that be? If Judaism is a religion, if someone leaves it, she’s no longer Jewish, right? Response: Logically, I would have to agree with you. If Judaism is a religion, then someone who doesn’t believe in the religion should be no longer Jewish. The reality, however, is that it doesn’t work that way. Throughout the Tanach, we find Jews breaking every facet of their covenant with G‑d, joining and forming all sorts of idolatrous cults and heathen practices. Yet when the prophets chide them, they are called “My people, Israel.” The Talmud focuses in particular on the precedent of a notorious character named Achan, who appears in the story of the fall of Jericho. “Israel has sinned,” exclaims G‑d. “They have transgressed My covenant that I commanded them.” Yet in the story’s narration we discover that the lone sinner is Achan, who took from the spoils of Jericho. The Talmud points out that nevertheless Achan is considered “Israel,” and remarks, “Israel, although he has sinned, is still Israel.” . . . Based on the above statement of the Talmud, the Jewish Code of Law rules that a marriage between a Jewish man and a Jewish woman who “convert out” is completely valid. Therefore, their children are considered Jewish and could also marry other Jews.
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See my post 22 oh this thread.
Yes, essential Jewishness (even for a convert who was sincere at the time) is irrevocable. One may forfeit being treated as a Jew, but the children of such a female is Jewish, and should such a person return to religious observance there is no need for conversion.
Government laws such as in the US and Israel are irrelevant to essential Jewishness.
You can go through the motions and call yourself anything you like. As far as Christianity goes, you are either redeemed unto God by the Blood of Jesus Christ, or, you are damned REGARDLESS of what you call yourself.
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
I don’t know about the Catholic church but in the Southern Baptist church, God loves you.
No, they are still Jews by birth. Jesus and the disciples were Jews.
Pretty similar trappings wise
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Give it a shot
If you practice Catholicism you’re a Catholic?
I think the right answer is you’re a Christian
You are wrong.
St. Edith Stein was a Jew who converted to Catholicism. Out of a sense of charity for her mother, she continued to attend Shul with her mother and to observe the Jewish customs. She saw no reason not to. The only difference between a Catholic and a Jew is that the Catholic believes Jesus is the messiah, and the Jew doesn’t. Of course, there are a whole lot of consequences to that, but that’s the essential difference. So as long as you don’t participate in any ceremony or prayer, or anything else that denies that Jesus is the messiah, or otherwise give anyone legitimate reason to believe that you deny Jesus is the messiah, then I don’t see any problem.
I think the answer depends if the person is Jewish under Jewish law.
So, for example, if the person was born Jewish (or properly converted) and subsequently was baptized and joined the Church, he would be both Catholic and Jewish.
If the person is a gentile who practices Messianic Judaism, he’s not Jewish, but rather a 1st or 2nd style century Christian who rejects the Council of Laodicea, held around 363-364 AD.
See post 36
But people who believe that Jesus was the Messiah are not Jews. It’s fundamentally apostasy. You can be a Jewish atheist, but you can’t be a Jewish Christian.
Paul was not present when the 'commission' was given by Christ...
And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease. 2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother; 3 Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus; 4 Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.
5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: 6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel........
Or do you think he thought they were from the lost tribes even though they didn't think they were?
Christ declared, Mark 13: 23 But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.
Jeremiah 3: 6 The Lord said also unto me in the days of Josiah the king, Hast thou seen that which backsliding Israel hath done? she is gone up upon every high mountain and under every green tree, and there hath played the harlot. 7 And I said after she had done all these things, Turn thou unto me. But she returned not. And her treacherous sister Judah saw it. 8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also. 9 And it came to pass through the lightness of her whoredom, that she defiled the land, and committed adultery with stones and with stocks. 10 And yet for all this her treacherous sister Judah hath not turned unto me with her whole heart, but feignedly, saith the Lord. 11 And the Lord said unto me, The backsliding Israel hath justified herself more than treacherous Judah.
The Minor Prophets give more particular details as to the punishment to the House of Israel ... but, note the House of Judah did not get rave reviews.
Paul was busy attempting to stamp out Christianity when Christ gave the commission to the named disciples/apostles.. Paul was a student of the Hebrew language and Paul was quite familiar with the so called 'old testament'... Paul penned he was of the tribe of Benjamin ...
My opinion is that it is a tradition of men that Paul went to Spain. Paul was a Roman citizen and wanted to go to Rome...
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