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Have The Intermittent Energy Blackouts Begun?
Manhattan Contrarian ^ | 28 Apr, 2025 | Francis Menton

Posted on 04/29/2025 5:03:14 AM PDT by MtnClimber

Today there have been widespread electricity blackouts across Europe, beginning in Spain and Portugal in the early afternoon (local time), and then spreading to other countries including France, Andorra, Belgium and the Netherlands. Is this related to the increasing penetration of intermittent generation from wind and solar facilities?

For years, many in the climate skeptic community have warned that expansion of intermittent renewable electricity generation on the grid will, sooner or later, lead to frequent blackouts. The reason for the warning is easy to understand: The grid has some rather exacting operational requirements that the intermittent renewable generation technologies cannot fulfill. Primary among these requirements are, first, minute-by-minute matching of electricity supply with electricity demand and, second, grid-wide synchronization of the frequency of the alternating current. When wind and solar generate provided relatively small portions of the electricity consumed, other generation sources, particularly thermal (fossil fuel) and hydro, would fulfill these requirements. But as wind and solar come to dominate generation, the problems become much more difficult to solve.

Here at Manhattan Contrarian, I have mostly steered clear of covering this topic. Although I think I understand the main issues, I am certainly not a grid engineer. And there are many smart people who are engineers and who have the job of “balancing” the grid to keep it consistently up and running in the face of the challenges of intermittent wind and solar generation. Maybe they can succeed. I doubt it. But I definitely have wanted to avoid “crying wolf,” predicting over and over that frequent blackouts are imminent, only to find that the engineers have come up with solutions that seem to work reasonably well.

As of this writing, it does not appear that a definitive cause (or causes) of today’s blackouts has been established. However, there is every reason to think that the increasing penetration of wind and solar generation in Spain is the most important part of the problem. Here are links to some articles that have appeared so far today: this one from the Daily Mail at 8:41 AM EDT (which would be 2:41 PM in Spain); this one from Yahoo News at 10:21 AM EDT (4:21 PM in Spain); and this one from Climate Change Dispatch (no time indicated, but based on a paywalled piece from the Telegraph, with a time stamp of 3:21 BST).

According to the piece in the Daily Mail, Spain’s state electricity network operator, known as Red Electric, reported that today’s problem began with “‘a very strong oscillation’ in the electrical network [that] caused Spain’s power system to ‘disconnect from the European system.’” On the question of the initial cause of the “oscillation,” there is only speculation. Proposed causes range from “extreme temperature variations along very high-voltage power lines in Spain,” to a hacking attack.

But whatever the initial cause of the “oscillation,” what is clear is that the Spanish system then lacked the ability to respond sufficiently to keep the power on. Why? The Daily Mail puts forth a very plausible explanation of grid instability resulting from heavy reliance on wind and solar generation. The Mail attributes the theory to “some analysts” (unnamed):

[S]ome analysts have suggested that the Spanish grid operator's reliance on renewable energy sources to supply the majority of the nation's electricity could have led to the blackout. Traditional generators, like coal and hydroelectric plants or gas turbines, are connected directly to the grid via heavy spinning machines. When turned on, these massive machines are in constant motion and the inertia created by their weight and momentum acts like a shock absorber, helping to insulate the grid against a sudden disturbance - for example, in the event of a transmission failure. Solar and wind power do not provide the natural inertia generated by these so-called 'spinning machines', leaving the grid more vulnerable to disruptions and subsequent oscillations in the electrical frequency.

Just before the blackout hit, it seems that solar facilities were generating over 60% of Spain’s electricity:

At 12:30pm local time today - five minutes before the widespread blackouts occurred - solar power was generating some 60% of Spain's electricity. . . .

But how about wind generation? This is from the Yahoo News piece:

Spain has one of Europe’s highest proportions of renewable energy, providing about 56pc of the nation’s electricity. More than half of its renewables comes from wind with the rest from solar and other sources. That means Spain’s electricity supplies are increasingly reliant on the weather delivering enough wind to balance its grid. For much of the last 24 hours, that wind has been largely missing. The website Windy.com, for example, shows wind speeds of 2-3mph, leaving the country reliant on solar energy and old gas-fired power stations.

So when the “oscillation” occurred, what is going to keep the grid steady on its 50 Hz frequency? From Michael Schellenberger today on X:

[A]ll of Europe appears to have been seconds away a continent-wide blackout. The grid frequency across continental Europe plunged to 49.85 hertz — just a hair above the red-line collapse threshold. The normal operating frequency for Europe’s power grid is 50.00 Hz, kept with an extremely tight margin of ±0.1 Hz. Anything outside ±0.2 Hz triggers major emergency actions. If the frequency had fallen just another 0.3 Hz — below 49.5 Hz — Europe could have suffered a system-wide cascading blackout.

The bottom line is that there were multi-hour blackouts in many places today. A random “oscillation” of some sort, which could have been easily handled in a world of fossil fuel power plants, became a huge problem when wind and solar generators could not respond to it appropriately. And so people were stuck for hours in elevators or subway trains; traffic lights went dark; banking and cell phone networks stopped working; and so forth. But within a few hours all of those were back in business.

So was this really a big deal? As Schellenberger points out, with just “a hair” more frequency variation it could have been far worse. Will that happen some time soon? I’m not going to pretend I know. But I do know that the electricity system in most of Europe and many U.S. states is in the hands of crazed fanatics who have no idea what they are doing. My own bet would be that there are many far worse blackouts to come, until this idiotic “net zero” thing is abandoned.


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To: Zuriel

“ Probably a bummer to pull into a charging station and not be able to charge an EV.”

Gas pumps run on electricity too. Pretty rare to find hand pumped gas now.


21 posted on 04/29/2025 5:58:14 AM PDT by bk1000 (Banned from Breitbart)
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To: MtnClimber
I'm not a greenie at heart, but I try to be a good steward of the environment. It comes with farming. However, due to the state of things, we decided to build a solar system that would completely power our small but energy efficient farmhouse - A/C included. I'm a "do it yourself" guy, and my son is an electrician who owns a small electrical company, so we went for it. The 13KW system is up and running and we are still putting the final tweaks on it. For someone who has never dealt with solar before, this was no easy task. And, even with a system this size, it takes up a lot of real estate. It took more panels than would fit on the roof of the house, just to completely power the house and take us off the grid. So, we used ground mounts. And, it took a small climate-controlled building to hold the inverters, batteries, and a lot of wiring. And, what was a fairly pristine looking yard is now full of trenches, conduit, and wiring. It's going to be awhile before I get it to the point where I can mow it again. Even though my son donated his time, wiring, and a lot of other infrastructure components, it still cost me about 25K out of pocket. I can't imagine having to pay a solar company to come out and provide a system like this "turn key." But, we did use the good stuff, and it will take us completely off the grid, barring a few overcast days here and there. It will take eight years for this system to pay for itself. Had a solar company come in and do it turn-key, we would be looking at many more years to break even.

The place I'm going with this, is most people mistakenly think that a few well-placed solar panels on the roof, or a windmill here or there is going to wean us off of fossil fuels. They have no idea what it would really take. Solar and wind won't make it happen. It's going to take nuclear on a big scale. Or, just keep drilling.

22 posted on 04/29/2025 5:59:24 AM PDT by eastexsteve
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To: MtnClimber
LOL! "climate skeptic community"

Utterly nobody is skeptical about the climate. They ARE skeptical about the opinion that humans are impacting it in a way that overcomes climate's natural forces.

23 posted on 04/29/2025 6:03:17 AM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (When your business model depends on slave labor, you're always going to need more slaves.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

“Of course, it would be a bummer to pull into a gas station and the electricity powered gas pumps are dead.”

Luckily where I live here in Texas most have backup generators. Thankfully they can be really small (and very cheap) since all they have to do is pump gas and a few other things.


24 posted on 04/29/2025 6:10:58 AM PDT by BobL
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To: Dennis M.

“So they said they are 100% renewable, but were depending upon the EU grid for grid stability? LOL morons, welcome to the Hotel California.”

My understanding regarding Europe is that virtually every country assumes that backup power from adjacent countries will be available for them. Defies logic...but look at the people running the place.


25 posted on 04/29/2025 6:13:16 AM PDT by BobL
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To: BobL

Isn’t that what happened in Texas last year?


26 posted on 04/29/2025 6:14:59 AM PDT by Chickensoup
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To: Sgt_Schultze

“Utterly nobody is skeptical about the climate. They ARE skeptical about the opinion that humans are impacting it in a way that overcomes climate’s natural forces.”

And even for those that think humans can do anything about the climate, they never seem willing to disclose their plan for bringing Russia, China and the Third World in line. And they stay quiet about it as they know people would never put up with it - since it means starting wars to capture and control those countries. But their actions give it away, as we are now seeing in Ukraine.

They question is whether they, the Globalists, can win, and then impose on the world’s 8 billion people what they are now only able to write papers about (population reduction, 15 minute cities, eating bugs, etc.).


27 posted on 04/29/2025 6:18:14 AM PDT by BobL
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To: Chickensoup

“Isn’t that what happened in Texas last year?”

What are you referring to? Maybe the wimpy hurricane that taught Texas that it’s good to keep trees away from power lines? The Big Freeze was 4 years ago and mainly due to the loss of power to natural gas pumping stations which had been forced by the feds to change over to electric power where they had been using their own natural gas to power the pumps.


28 posted on 04/29/2025 6:20:51 AM PDT by BobL
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To: The Louiswu

Agreed. Unbelievable, but here we are: massive power outages across Europe, and the Party blithely explains that this swipe at Western Civilization was the very atmosphere we exist in. Ummmm.... WHAT?


29 posted on 04/29/2025 6:22:14 AM PDT by drwoof
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To: MtnClimber

GOOD!!! More of this is needed to snap them out out of their climate delusions. Solar /wind /plus Muslim demographic invasion is Europe’s winning formulae.


30 posted on 04/29/2025 6:25:20 AM PDT by dennisw (💯🇺🇸 Truth is Hate to those who Hate the Truth. 🇺🇸💯)
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To: BobL
“My understanding regarding Europe is that virtually every country assumes that backup power from adjacent countries will be available for them.“

Sounds like California regarding other states.

31 posted on 04/29/2025 6:36:30 AM PDT by mikey_hates_everything
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To: MtnClimber

Coming soon to any US state with green energy policies. The destruction of western power grids will be the death of our industry & modern economy.


32 posted on 04/29/2025 6:47:14 AM PDT by LibertyFound
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To: MtnClimber
caused Spain’s power system to ‘disconnect from the European system.’

I wonder if they can do this with the Internet.

33 posted on 04/29/2025 6:56:15 AM PDT by Empire_of_Liberty
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To: mikey_hates_everything
You are totally correct.

Republicans should advance legislation that stipulates States which replace reliable "fossil" generated electricity with intermittent, unreliable "green" electricity are required to first augment with excess "green" supply. If they have to augment with conventional electricity, they MUST pay the prevailing "green" costs, even for the conventional supply.

34 posted on 04/29/2025 7:13:12 AM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (When your business model depends on slave labor, you're always going to need more slaves.)
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To: Tell It Right

I’m sure the major political figures in the EU are meeting with Energy Executives trying to figure out a way to keep this from happening again, if the Energy Executives have any ball, they will tell the politicians this will keep happening unless you start building back conventional energy base load power.

Stop shutting down nuclear reactors, stop shutting down natural gas generators, and consider coal generation, if you don’t this will continue to happen and your corporations will become totally uncompetitive because of high energy prices that is unreliable.


35 posted on 04/29/2025 7:13:15 AM PDT by srmanuel
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To: srmanuel
Agreed. And don't forget the load side of the equation. It may be that this happened because the demand is too high with all of the Asian "migrants" adding to power demand. As well as switching to EV's.

I'm not anti-EV. I own an EV. And I'm not anti-solar if it's decentralized. I don't depend on my solar -- even I need a dependable grid for the 20% of my power that I pull from the grid.

36 posted on 04/29/2025 7:18:21 AM PDT by Tell It Right (1 Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: MtnClimber
Granted, solar and wind are unreliable compared to fossil fuel, but we are in the spring, before summer heat and after winter cold. Temperatures in Madrid, Lisbon, and Barcelona are in the 60s and 70s, Fahrenheit. Are we looking at sabotage, possibly by Chinese, Russian, or Iranian black ops, to warn Europe of its vulnerability?
37 posted on 04/29/2025 7:24:29 AM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: MtnClimber
Spain was warned about their switch to renewable energy:

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38 posted on 04/29/2025 7:42:44 AM PDT by Bon of Babble (You Say You Want a Revolution?)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
Of course, it would be a bummer to pull into a gas station and the electricity powered gas pumps are dead..

That's why I have my own 24V and 12V pumps.

Drop the suction line down the fill hole and pay them cash by the jerry can full (20L or 5 gallons).

39 posted on 04/29/2025 7:45:45 AM PDT by Mogger ( 7th generation Vermonter, refugee in New Hampshire hoping NH remains sane.)
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To: eastexsteve

Where does the energy to build the solar panels come from?


40 posted on 04/29/2025 7:46:55 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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