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The Gates of Vienna have fallen
American Thinker ^ | 20 Apr, 2025 | Andrea Widburg

Posted on 04/20/2025 5:05:02 AM PDT by MtnClimber

I’ve had sitting on my computer for a few days an essay by Rod Dreher, an American conservative who now lives in Hungary, the only country in Europe making a stand for traditional values and refusing to accept unlimited Islamic immigration. From his perch in Hungary, Dreher has written about his conversations with ordinary Europeans, who believe that civil war is imminent, a war that will see those who share European values arrayed against those who have embraced leftism and Islam.

Dreher’s essay opens by telling readers about a hugely popular podcast entitled “The Coming British Civil War.” On it, David Betz, a King’s College, London, professor who is an expert on civil wars, opines that the UK is on the verge of a civil war. Writes Dreher:

Betz argues that the United Kingdom now has all the traditional hallmarks of a society on the verge of violent civil conflict. He mentions the collapse of faith in British institutions, the two-tier justice system, Islamic radicalization, and the polarization wrought by official multiculturalism, among other factors.

The UK is not the only European nation that is being driven to the breaking point by the stresses that the ruling elites have placed upon their ancient cultures. The same is true in France, where the ruling class has conveniently decided to lock away Marine Le Pen, the one person who is currently standing athwart the French political system yelling “Stop.”

Meanwhile, in Germany, the AfD party, which opposes unlimited Muslim immigration, is being blackballed, blacklisted, and sidelined. European elites, just like America’s Democrats, believe that “democracy” applies only to votes for their people and policies.

Dreher says that his private conversations reveal that ordinary people agree with Betz:

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TOPICS: Society
KEYWORDS: jihad; leftism
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To: EliRoom8
.. The Islamic AntiChrist. .

As far as I'm concerned Mad Moe was the Anti Christ. How many Christians has that awful religion percecuted and killed?

21 posted on 04/20/2025 6:28:02 AM PDT by Nateman (Democrats did not strive for fraud friendly voting merely to continue honest elections.)
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To: MtnClimber

A few years ago, I told a good friend of mine that war is coming, but I don’t know the timeline. I still believe the same thing though the ruling from England that a woman is a woman gives me a little hope, but very little.


22 posted on 04/20/2025 6:38:30 AM PDT by libertylover (Our biggest problem, by far, is that almost all of big media is AGENDA-DRIVEN, not-truth driven.)
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To: EliRoom8

Exactly! Why our fellow citizens don’t see this and understand the direction the whole world is going is discouraging. Truly the enemy has blinded their eyes. Trump may slow this but he, nor anyone else, can prevent it. “Be not overcome by evil but overcome evil with good.” Christians let your light shine! Jesus told us when we see these things to not fear but realize the time is short for his return. “Be faithful unto death and I will give you a crown of life.” We have no abiding city here.


23 posted on 04/20/2025 6:40:21 AM PDT by Lake Living
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To: MtnClimber

You have to go up the chain of command past the politicians to see who is pushing this.


24 posted on 04/20/2025 6:43:00 AM PDT by dljordan (The Rewards of Tolerance are Treachery and Betrayal)
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To: MtnClimber
...a war that will see those who share European values arrayed against those who have embraced leftism and Islam.

They ignored history, now they repeat it.

25 posted on 04/20/2025 6:47:49 AM PDT by GingisK
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To: MtnClimber

“It sure seems that this is what the leftists and muslims want.”

Don’t fall for that - they don’t want civil war - no one does. But they will take up arms and fight for the right to subjugate Europeans (normal people) if they are unable to do it through the ballot box.

The only question is whether Europeans are willing to fight, and if so why are they waiting as must know that their upcoming civil wars will only be bloodier as they their opposition grows stronger by the day.


26 posted on 04/20/2025 6:55:29 AM PDT by BobL
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To: Twotone

“There are ways to start changing things. I hope they have the will to do it.”

The author absolutely does not think so, and, sadly, I mostly agree.


27 posted on 04/20/2025 7:06:44 AM PDT by aquila48 (Do not let them make you "care" ! Guilting you is how they. control you. )
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To: Right_Wing_Madman

In think the idea is that the west will be gone already, and the remaining two cultures Islam and China will fight for the leftovers.


28 posted on 04/20/2025 7:13:26 AM PDT by redangus ( )
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To: Uncle Miltie
Quit complaining and get an ad blocker like the rest of us.


29 posted on 04/20/2025 7:41:41 AM PDT by Pollard (Zone 6b)
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To: Lake Living
“Be faithful unto death and I will give you a crown of life.” We have no abiding city here. An anthem "BenLurkin" recommended embodies that:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bvZ-WCkXGE

I'm in strong agreement with your sentiments. This worldwide visceral hatred towards believers is a foretaste of greater antipathy to come; yet conservatives feel our brief respite under DJT will last. It won't.

One only needs to look about at Muslim influence worldwide. Inevitably America's radicalized courts will deem Christians as anti-social "bigots" unfit for enlightened society.

Moral conservativism, rather than the Word, will not be enough to fortify our souls from the approaching "floodwaters" and God help nominal ("I believe in God") believers, who, when required, under pain of death, offer Islam allegiance or die of deprivation or beheading (Rev.19).
30 posted on 04/20/2025 7:47:00 AM PDT by EliRoom8 ( -- )
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To: MtnClimber

And nobody thought the soviet block would fall, including our inept and stupid CIA. Then it did fall.

Andrea Widburg is American Thinker’s heathen sob sister, AKA Mz. Doom and Gloom.


31 posted on 04/20/2025 7:47:29 AM PDT by sergeantdave (AI training involves stealing content from creators and not paying them a penny)
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To: Twotone
There was a recent incident where a muslim attempted a robbery & was chased out by the locals who proceeded to kill him with a baseball bat. Of course, THEY are all now in jail. But if a few politicians were taken out with bats, things might start to change.

Some years back I saw the news about this lunatic in Norway that went to an Island and killed 77 people, mostly children.

I thought at the time this man is a monster.

It was years later I learned some details I didn't know. This island was a school for the "elite's" children. Government officials and powerful people sent their kids there.

He was protesting the fact that the "elite" had let in millions of Muslims, and they were destroying Norwegian society and attacking Norwegian people.

He felt the only way the "elite" would understand is if they felt the pain that everyone else was feeling, so he decided to kill their children.

He is still a monster. He should have killed the "elite" directly, but of course their security was too good, which is why he decided to target their children.

Of course none of his actual reasons for doing this were made widely known, because nobody wanted anyone else thinking along similar lines, but from what I have read, he did it to hurt the elites and make them stop bringing in so many Muslim invaders.

Clearly it hasn't worked, but at some point, the people of these countries need to start wiping out their leadership and then getting the Muslims out of their country.

32 posted on 04/20/2025 9:01:33 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Right_Wing_Madman
It seems that way to some, but I don't think so. The next great war will be West vs. Islam, and it will be brutal like WW1/WW2, the Napoleonic Wars, and the Thirty Years War. And I don't know who will win.

When we *DECIDE* to go to war with them, we will wipe them out. Muslims tend to come from cultures where the people are actually stupider and mentally deficient than are Europeans and Americans. They have a very high rate of inbreeding in Muslim cultures, so this has seriously degraded their intelligence and mental stability.

The European descended people have effectively invented almost everything in the world. Muslims? Not so much. It will be lopsided, *IF* we decide to fight them.

Right now the big problem is convincing the stupid white liberals that we need to fight them.

33 posted on 04/20/2025 9:07:31 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Twotone

In England, if the victim is English, the sentence is lighter than if it’s Muslim.
Most of the judges are English.


34 posted on 04/20/2025 9:43:28 AM PDT by tsomer
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To: MtnClimber
Nobody has a working crystal ball so it's mostly speculation anyway, but here goes: I don't see a European civil war happening against Islam before it happens against the EU government itself by constituent states who suffer from that government's draconian immigration policies. That is the reason for the desperate effort to marginalize the AfD in Germany and to do so with Le Pen in France by any means necessary including prison.

It turns out the people doing the most real damage to European countries don't consider themselves responsible for the interests of their own countries at all, but of the overweening superstate that is the EU and most specifically, their control of that government. Brexit may well be the last gasp of the Western states against that hegemony and Brussels is willing to risk nearly anything to see that it fails for the UK and never happens again elsewhere.

Resistance to the uncontrolled demographic change mandated by the EU can still be effected by individual member states so long as they are allowed. Watch for Brussels to take further steps to curtail that allowance. If there are seeds of a civil war, they are there. All IMHO, of course.

35 posted on 04/20/2025 10:27:17 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: MtnClimber

SEEMS? They openly call for overthrow of the White, European Patriarchy, and Christianity. Even the RCC seems to be for overthrowing Christianity. Read and listen to their exalted leader the Commie.


36 posted on 04/20/2025 1:10:08 PM PDT by Glad2bnuts
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To: Nateman

Because they hate, is the truth about Islam and Blacks. Not black people, but those who have a well engineered chip on their shoulders.

I read Brigitte Gabriels book, I believe she fled the Christian stronghold of Lebanon, when the Muzzies came in and destroyed decency.


37 posted on 04/20/2025 1:17:48 PM PDT by Glad2bnuts
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To: MtnClimber

Brave Browser works for me.


38 posted on 04/20/2025 1:25:29 PM PDT by Glad2bnuts
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To: Glad2bnuts

39 posted on 04/20/2025 1:40:40 PM PDT by Nateman (Democrats did not strive for fraud friendly voting merely to continue honest elections.)
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To: Nateman

Mad Moe? ?


40 posted on 04/21/2025 8:13:28 AM PDT by EliRoom8 ( -- )
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