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Yhe whole thing is smoke and mirrors...
1 posted on 04/07/2025 12:14:42 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
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>>Yhe whole thing is smoke and mirrors...

It’s not so much smoke and mirrors as a herd mentality. There’s very little diversity in the algorithms, they all make similar buy/sell decisions based on the same inputs, using the same metrics, even a lot of the code is shared.

Algorithms are lemmings, which is why there are circuit-breakers in the markets.


2 posted on 04/07/2025 12:19:23 PM PDT by vikingd00d (chown -R us ~you/base)
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“Yhe whole thing is smoke and mirrors...”

I agree. The problem is, for a small potatoes guy like me, there aren’t a lot of options, (no pun intended).


3 posted on 04/07/2025 12:19:30 PM PDT by brownsfan (It's going to take real, serious, hard times to wake the American public.)
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To: null and void; aragorn; EnigmaticAnomaly; kalee; Kale; AZ .44 MAG; Baynative; bgill; bitt; ...

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4 posted on 04/07/2025 12:21:01 PM PDT by bitt (<img src=' 'width=30%>)
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You Bet! And BlackRock in in possession of the Keyboard.


6 posted on 04/07/2025 12:23:15 PM PDT by Openurmind
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Buy low, sell high.

No smoke. No mirrors.

Dividend stocks pay to wait it out


7 posted on 04/07/2025 12:23:52 PM PDT by Justa (Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people....)
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It doesn’t help that the market cap of the top 10 companies by market cap constitutes roughly 34% of the total stock market cap.

Top 25 companies by market cap are roughly 50%.

So there is going to be hard correlation between certain stocks and the overall indices.


8 posted on 04/07/2025 12:23:58 PM PDT by reed13k
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The fintech computers pay a princely sum to be physically close to the Wall Street computers. Milliseconds in data transfer time matter significantly when your high speed transactions are skimming profits by selling small peaks and buying small dips. They can also drive huge excursions very quickly. The average human investor operating in the realm of hours to execute a trade is not able to compete.
9 posted on 04/07/2025 12:25:44 PM PDT by Myrddin
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There are a lot of assumptions in your post ...


10 posted on 04/07/2025 12:26:28 PM PDT by bankwalker (Repeal the 19th ...)
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The DOW, S&P 500, and NASDAQ have all pretty much mirrored each other for a very long time.


11 posted on 04/07/2025 12:27:09 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Time to dump out the Treasury drawer and throw out all the junk that is wasting our money.)
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Because the whole damn thing is FAKE AS HELL..earlier today it was up almost 1,000 points based on some BS rumor about Trump having a 90 day freeze on tariffs except China, then the second the White House said “Yeah thats total baloney” the stock went back down 800 points so what does that show, its all crooked phony nonsense


12 posted on 04/07/2025 12:27:21 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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All I know there is now MEGA tons of cash sitting somewhere....


14 posted on 04/07/2025 12:31:27 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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Funds were pulling out their money, near the end of summer, and into the fall. Plenty of recommendations and suggestions followed that.

W. W. Granger investors pulled back, weeks ago.

“Experts” said, that Nvidia valuation was in trouble (though NVDA has a very good profit margin), while “experts” kept chirping about Boeing (BA) that is overvalued and overpriced (more than NVDA), and without a profit margin.

News headlines stirring the pot for calamity: TARIFFS! . . . that are negotiable.

Hair on fire “stock momentum” in a tailspin: Financial Engineering, “Making a Market.”


15 posted on 04/07/2025 12:34:15 PM PDT by linMcHlp
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I was wondering the same thing. What’s the actual volume of sales compared to normal volume? Volume is higher than last week’s average.


16 posted on 04/07/2025 12:35:24 PM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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You bet.


18 posted on 04/07/2025 1:04:34 PM PDT by CodeToad ( )
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Likely the same criminals that created the 2008 pre-election crash.
20 posted on 04/07/2025 1:06:14 PM PDT by Major Matt Mason (Everyone that voted Trump/R in '24 needs to show up in '26.)
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The scourge of index funds, which are programmed not to make value judgements, just go with the market trend, and with 20% of the buys and sells programmed to go with the trend of the index each day, that’s 20% of the change in the market that had nothing to do with anyone making valuations of companies - just keep the portfolio in proportionate sink with an index(es) (When the Dow Jones Industrial Index is selling down, DJIA index funds have to sell to keep in sync with the index, and if more real value traders decide to sell more, DJIA index funds have to sell more as well. )

I have a pension fund that became highly invested in index funds. Many of us recommended that index funds not have a massive share of the portfolio but be used as a hedge, while traditional investors made more traditional valuation decisions on significant parts of the portfolio. We made that argument because before the pension fund went so heavily into index funds its inhouse investment departmwent for over forty years produced returns better than than major stock market indexes. We understood the cost of inhouse investors was greater than the costs of index funds, but the history of the fund showed it had not suffered for it.

Becuase my pension fund is now weighted so heavily by index funds now, If the tariff war keeps up, my pension income could take a significant hit as early as this fall. I will survive that. But, multiply that by millions of retirees like me, the question becomes will Trump’s ability to push his agenda survive, or will economic factors cost the GOP the House and Senate in 2026. Biden lost on the economy; so can Trump. Trump needs to rapidly get real (not formulaic) tariffs agreed to, and the sooner the better.


22 posted on 04/07/2025 1:06:52 PM PDT by Wuli
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By some measures, the market reached capitulation at today’s close, which historically has been a good buying opportunity. But...who knows?


24 posted on 04/07/2025 1:15:56 PM PDT by Salvey (<I)
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check this out: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yB_gOhxlgMc


25 posted on 04/07/2025 1:18:32 PM PDT by NativeSon ( *> <*)
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I’ve been of the opinion that the stock market has been rigged since shortly after 9/11 (no pun intended).

The entirety of statistics on the US economy are fudged.

It’s appalling, but a correction is underway.


26 posted on 04/07/2025 1:27:25 PM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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Absolutely. A retail investor really can’t compete with the pros, especially in times like these I watched the Dow today jump 100+, then fall 100+, and jump 100+ again all in about 10-15 seconds


27 posted on 04/07/2025 2:00:09 PM PDT by oil_dude
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