Posted on 03/20/2025 12:36:50 PM PDT by BenLurkin
There was no final cause of the crash in the report released Thursday, but the investigation found that the right main landing gear broke and collapsed on impact as the plane landed at a high descent rate.
The first officer, who was in her fifth straight day of flying, was at the controls of the plane, according to the report. She had 1,422 hours of flying total, which is below the Federal Aviation Administration minimum to be a commercial pilot.
She was able to fly commercially with a special exception from the FAA because she had a specific aviation degree and received a waiver...
About 13 seconds before landing, the plane's airspeed increased to 154 knots, "consistent with a performance-increasing wind gust," according to the report. The first officer, who was flying the plane, pulled back the thrust levers to decrease engine thrust.
Then, 2.6 seconds before touchdown, the Enhanced Ground Proximity Warning System alert "sink rate" went off, indicating a high rate of descent...
Less than one second before touchdown, the aircraft's indicated airspeed was 134 knots and its groundspeed was 11 knots, per the report. The bank angle was 7.1 degrees to the right, and the pitch attitude was 1 degree nose up. The rate of descent was recorded as 1,110 feet per minute...
No obvious preexisting malfunctions were found on the components of the flight control...
Preliminary information from the flight data recorder did not have any "caution or warning messages" about the flight controls.
While the first officer had flown for five straight days, including the same day on a flight from Cleveland at 8:19 a.m., the captain had not flown for seven days. The captain has worked for Endeavor since October 2007. He has 3,570 hours total flight time and 765 hours on the CRJ-900.
(Excerpt) Read more at msn.com ...
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“Delta flight landed at Toronto’s Pearson International Airport last month, with the wing hitting the runway and fuel spray causing a massive fire, according to a preliminary report from the Transportation Safety Board of Canada.”
Pilots say landings are just controlled crashes. Evidently this one was a little less controlled.
The first officer, who was in her fifth straight day
of flying, was at the controls of the crashed plane.
She had 1,422 hours of flying total.......
below the FAA minimum to be a commercial pilot.
She was able to fly passengers with a “special exception” from
the FAA because she had a specific aviation degree and “received a waiver”...
1,110 fpm is about 30% more than max sink rate at touchdown for a carrier landing.
Was the aircraft fighting a >120 knot headwind ?
Uh oh...”Less than one second before touchdown...the rate of descent was 1,110 feet per minute” At one second before touchdown, the pilots should have flared the aircraft and descent rate should be 100–300 fpm for a smooth landing.
They came in kind of hot.
I thought the jet was hit with a microburst the way it hit the runway.
Was this a case of a sudden high gust tailwind causing loss of lift?
There is a typo somewhere in the report.
Looked faster in the videos.
Not exactly. You can be a commercial pilot with far less. (used to be 250 if I recall). You have to have 1500 (or thats the number it used to be) for ATP.
As a simple commercial pilot, you can fly for hire, up to 20 seat total (yourself, any crew, and passengers). As an ATP, you can fly the big boys.
Aviation Ping!.....................
There was no final cause of the crash in the report released Thursday,
the right main landing gear broke and collapsed on impact as the plane landed at a high descent rate.
Cause = high rate of descent
cause of high rate of descent?
Woman driver or sudden down-burst of wind
Descent rate too high, descent angle too steep.
I fail to understand why we are forced to put unqualified
people in positions they are not ready for, based on race or Gender!
I’m a white man. There is no way in the world I would
have got a break on training/OJT to do the jobs I do/did.
You fail, you were done!
Why does everybody else get the breaks?
Politics. That kills the credibility of women
and minorities. Nobody that thinks, trusts a government mandated employee.
I knew if I screwed up, I’d be terminated.
PERIOD!
I retired at age 55, so I’m not a screw up
“1,110 fpm is about 30% more than max sink rate at touchdown for a carrier landing.”
But carrier planes are specially strengthened to take that impact, which means that was WAY MORE than an airliner should be doing.
Did they have a source for that information OR more likely, “misinformation?” It’s been quoted on another like thread but without a source other than coming from the MSM, I question some of it. Not the flying aspect but certainly the qualifications to be a commercial pilot ON AN AIRLINE. Anyone can read the FAA quals....did no one do that?
Eventually, there may be a new protocol of publishing the name and qualifications of each pilot on each plane, posted online for benefit of the viewing and ticket buying public.
Let us read and ponder how our potential pilots measure up to the most minimal standards. We can no longer take our pilots for granted. Can’t we already perform this due diligence when considering a new surgeon?
That is what I’ve done, for certain surgeries.
You are technically correct. This whole report is still premature. Until the order of occurrence is finalized, there are still questions.
My initial observation looked like a gear collapse. Now we know it collapsed. The question is did the touchdown cause the collapse or did the gear fail causing the crash.
I’ve lived through some really hard touchdowns. That one didn’t appear to be as bad as some. Planes are tougher than that.
EC
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