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1 posted on 02/21/2025 4:42:31 AM PST by marcusmaximus
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Working for free now that the USAID propaganda funds dried up?


2 posted on 02/21/2025 4:44:22 AM PST by Z28.310 (does not comply well with others)
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Being born; being weird: being a weird president; wanting war instead of peace: taking lots of money for himself and his cronies; oh and 6 telling Trump to piss up a rope.


3 posted on 02/21/2025 4:44:53 AM PST by AndyJackson
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Feb. 12: Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent met Zelensky in Kyiv to offer a proposal that would give the U.S. access to Ukrainian mineral rights in return for de facto U.S. protection. Trump later told reporters Zelensky was “rude” and delayed his meeting with Bessent because he slept in.

Feb. 14: At the Munich Security Conference, Vance and Rubio met Zelensky to get his approval for the mineral rights deal. But, the officials said, Zelensky surprised the Americans by saying he didn’t have the authority to unilaterally approve it without parliament.

Feb. 15: Zelensky publicly rejected the offer at the conference. White House sources noted that his remarks to reporters — that the deal was “not in the interests of a sovereign Ukraine” — were markedly different from more positive-sounding comments he’d made on X the day before.

Feb. 18: As Rubio, Waltz and presidential envoy Steve Witkoff sat down with Russian negotiators in Saudi Arabia to talk peace, Zelensky criticized the meeting for occurring without Ukraine at the table. An angry Trump then lashed out at Zelensky at a Mar-a-Lago press conference, falsely suggesting Zelensky had started the war with Russia and had an approval rating of only 4%.

Feb. 19: Zelensky fired back, saying the U.S. president “lives in a disinformation space.” Trump then ratcheted up the pressure by posting on Truth Social that Zelensky, a former actor, was a “modestly successful comedian” who has become a “dictator without elections.” Trump has refused to criticize Putin as a dictator.


4 posted on 02/21/2025 4:46:55 AM PST by Diogenesis (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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Trump's team is expected to pressure Zelensky into giving up Crimea (which Putin seized in 2014)

The Crimea was ethnically Russian, had been part of Russia since Catherine the Great [before the US was a country], and the deep state was maneuvering to cut off Russian access to the Black Sea. Oh and the continued advancement of the what we now know to be war mongering expansionist anti-democratic NATO/ EU.

5 posted on 02/21/2025 4:48:01 AM PST by AndyJackson
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I’d say that’s been the end game for a very long time.


6 posted on 02/21/2025 4:48:02 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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“Cocaine is a helluva drug”


12 posted on 02/21/2025 5:02:11 AM PST by dynachrome (Auslander Raus!)
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Trump's team is expected to pressure Zelensky into giving up Crimea (which Putin seized in 2014) portions of eastern Ukraine and the Azov Coast (occupied in Russia's 2022 invasion).

Honestly, Marcus, Ukraine is NEVER going to win those back in any battle.

They should just agree. Reluctantly or unhappily, but agree.

It stops the war they cannot win. And I say this as someone who wishes them well.

13 posted on 02/21/2025 5:09:20 AM PST by Alas Babylon! (Repeal the Patriot Act; Abolish the DHS; reform FBI top to bottom!)
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Trump's team is expected to pressure Zelensky into giving up Crimea (which Putin seized in 2014) portions of eastern Ukraine and the Azov Coast (occupied in Russia's 2022 invasion).

Which of-course, leads to Putin taking more after his military gets stronger. Corruption abounds in both countries and Zelensky's alignment with Western liberal morality* in seeking their favor is suicidal.

However, only one country (outside China) is at present an ongoing military threat to the US (and has wicked allies: China, Iran, etc.), and with whom the US has fought proxy wars for over 70 years, flowing from an alliance with wicked Stalin and material aid given in that interest.

With an overthrow of Putin, could ideally, enable Trump to help rebuild Russia as an ally of the US. Which opportunity I think the US missed in the 90's, taking advantage of Russia's weakness, while the pervading culture of corruption (and Russian mafia) enabled the rise of Putin under the premise of MRGA.

*liberal abortion laws and in 2019, Zelensky commented “Leave those people [the LGBTQ community] alone, for God’s sake,” which is the opposite of God, though as yet same-sex couples are explicitly banned from adoption and there are no legal grounds for same-sex marriage and civil partnerships in Ukraine, but in December 2022, the Ukrainian Parliament unanimously passed a bill that banned hate speech and discrimination against LGBTQ people in mass media. The provision was included in the media regulation bill, which was one of the main requirements for approval of Ukraine’s EU candidacy status. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBTQ_rights_in_Ukraine)

15 posted on 02/21/2025 5:13:42 AM PST by daniel1212 (Turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves damned+destitute sinners on His acct, believe, b baptized+follow HIM)
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“The conflict between Trump and Zelensky escalated into a war of words between the two that scared European allies who are worried...”

Sounds like mom and dad are fighting again and the kids are afraid. Western European allies are completely useless


17 posted on 02/21/2025 5:18:45 AM PST by chuckee
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Awesome to hear the negotiations are progressing.


19 posted on 02/21/2025 5:27:18 AM PST by nwrep
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Lose 20% of your dirt and have peace.

Lose 100% of your dirt, 40% of your people, and $1T of our dollars and have this war.

I don’t think we will be funding your loss.

Game over.


24 posted on 02/21/2025 5:52:31 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (No American money or lives for Europe’s censorious, socialist, anti-democratic islamophiles!!!)
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Axios ends with:

The U.S. insistence on claiming a share of Ukraine's mineral rights has been compared to a "mafia shakedown" by liberal critics, who point out that the country would lose land and mineral rights and get little in return.

"It's a sh*t sandwich," a Trump administration official acknowledged.

"But Ukraine is going to have to eat it because [Trump] has made clear this is no longer our problem."

Axios and some unnamed person have quite a way with words. Tasty.
28 posted on 02/21/2025 5:57:02 AM PST by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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Somebody needs to hide the mighty Z’s drugs.


35 posted on 02/21/2025 6:09:04 AM PST by Just mythoughts (Psalm 2. Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?)
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Zelensky is a little whippersnapper who needs his ass kicked. He dragged America into his war to distract Americans from the fact that America was also being invaded. Nobody was spending billions to stop that invasion.


38 posted on 02/21/2025 6:15:03 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (The U.S. Government was never meant to be a jobs program.)
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This is called bringing Zelensky to the table. Crimea was always going to part of the deal as well as the Dinesk and Donbass. Putin didn’t lose 600,000-700,000 troops taking that territory just to give it up. One of the things that led to the war was the Ukraine threatening to cancel the lease on Putin’s only port on the Black Sea.

If we don’t get the rights to those minerals China will swoop in and grab them as soon as the ink is dry on the peace treaty.


47 posted on 02/21/2025 7:25:04 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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