Posted on 02/20/2025 4:47:11 AM PST by eccentric
Please explain to those of us in flyover country, what congestion parking tax is and why Trump and/or the federal government has anything to do with it.
Why did Biden have to create an EXEMPTION in his executive order if it was already allowed?
WOW what an ahole answer, JEEZE!!!
Yep, this is simply a State implementing a toll bridge tax and they have every right to do it.
Trump is pandering and risking even more loss of state’s rights to fedzilla. The pendulum will swing back eventually do you really want more right’s lost to the feds for all states because you want short gain political points. That’s peak stupid. Once it eventually swings do you really want a fed gov loaded with commies again having even more power over the states. Not just no but hell no. We need to be clawing back state rights and if NYS wants to toll inside their borders fine their representatives passed a law and got it signed by the governor that’s 100% how the Republic should work.
If NYC had a safe clean subway transit system it would be a moot point.
Everything's better if someone else pays for it.
You'd think the last few days of DOGE exposure of how taxpayers have been getting ripped off for decades so a privileged few can benefit would open one's eyes.
Thanks for your knowledgeable opinions. For those of us who don’t live there it is a hard issue to understand. I personally live on and off in Israel, so our traffic problems are somewhat different. Tel Aviv is similar to New York, yet Jerusalem is like another country.
“Why did Biden have to create an EXEMPTION in his executive order if it was already allowed?”
Both are wrong , the fed has no say here and when not if it gets to federal court the state law should be upheld as it’s a clear tenth amendment case. If NY lose using the commerce clause that is a loss for all of us and it will work out not in the other 49 states favor in the long run.
No, they don't have the right to set up tolls when there's no alternate toll-free route.
Bridge and tunnel tolls are different because there was no route prior to them being built. To arbitrarily charge tolls to drive on a city street with no alternate routes is a restriction of movement.
To tax taxpayer money to pay for that street and then charge a toll is a whole other level of theft.
Just wow. These laws were set up so someone who wants to travel to a state on the other side of one they're passing through, doesn't get toll-raped to do so.
Let's see all the towns around you charge "congestion pricing" tolls so that you have to pay them each day, in addition to the taxes you already pay for the roads. Let the charge $100 per day.
“No, they don’t have the right to set up tolls when there’s no alternate toll-free route.”
Wanna quote that some place in the law? Making crap up doesn’t work for me.
Don’t go believing everything you think.
Exactly the opposite. Pay for use is the essence of individuals paying for the services and infrastructure they use.
I also would 100% support eliminating the gas tax and charging for each and every mile everyone uses. Only at the state level the fed has no charter or enumerated powers to be building roads, it’s not in the constitution. Also base the rate of the per mile charge on the mathematical formula of tire pressure PSI per square foot since it’s proven road wear goes up at the quad power of weight it’s 16 times higher for double the psi weight. Trucks should pay way more per mile vs small cars like sedans s one truck does 16,000 times the wear rate of a sedan per mile.
Pay for use is the only real equitable way to finance use. Right now the average person drives 14500 miles per year and has a fleet avg 25 mpg. That’s 580 gallons per year the federal gas tax is 18 cents per gallon that works out to just over $108 per year in federal tax revenue from gas taxes per individual if you think $108 to the federal government even remotely covers the infrastructure cost wear and tear and maintenance of any road system your delusional. most of the highway funds the feds give out comes from the general tax pool which means the higher income tax paying people are paying for all the roads as the higher income people pay a disproportionately large portion of the federal government’s revenue. This is the essence of progressive taxation. The bottom half of income doesn’t pay next taxes famously the 47% it’s higher now. So when daddy fed gives motorway mmoney it’s from the top half while the bottom half drives for free. $108 is essentially free it won’t cover a single foot of roadway costs in a year. Motorways are $2-11 MILLION per mile that’s $378 to $2000+ PER FOOT. Yeah your gas tax doesn’t even cover a single foot of road in a year. Oh but the state gas taxes. “8.95 cents per gallon in Alaska to 68.1 cents per gallon in California as of January 2024”
So $53-394 per year, here again on average not even a foot of roadway. So eliminate the gas tax and tax by actual usage so everyone had a skin in the game. It is by definition equality. Drive more ,use more, pay more.
Even those who don’t drive on roads benefit from goods and services delivered by them.
What? Every bridge and tunnel into NYC is tolled there is no free alternative. As are interstates in the North East interstates built with and maintained with Federal money and tolled by the states. DFW tolls the inside lanes of Ih35 and is adding toll lanes to 75 taking over two existing free lanes just like they did on 35 both 100% paid for by taxpayers. You are dead wrong you ,1 have to have a free alternative no you don’t, and two there are many MANY places that toll tax funded and paid off roads. It’s the states that toll them not the feds and it is a states right to toll them if they want too.
Flat out NYS wins this stupid pandering EO, if not then the other 49 states all lose rights and cutting off your nose in spite of your face is monumentally dumb. If you are a NYS citizen and ONLY a NYS then vote for representatives that will.change the law your governor signed. It’s mind blowing the hypocrisy. Like children running to daddy when mommy tells them something they don’t like.
In the North East interstates built with and maintained with Federal money are tolled New Jersey tolls every interstate in its borders, those were built with Federal money and the tolls go to the state of New Jersey.
This is factually incorrect. (FULL DISCLOSURE: I work professionally in the planning and design of transportation infrastructure, so I know how these things work). Almost every toll in New Jersey is collected on roads and bridges that meet the following conditions: (1) the road was built and operated under a state highway authority without the use of any federal money (the recent and ongoing New Jersey Turnpike widening projects, for example, were done without federal money for the sole purpose of avoiding the need to do federal environmental reviews); and/or (2) the bridge/tunnel was constructed and is operated and maintained under the jurisdiction of a quasi-public authority that was established with necessary Congressional approval because they are multi-state agencies (the Port Authority of New and New Jersey and the Delaware River Joint Toll Bridge Commission, for example).
The only section of Interstate highway within New Jersey that has tolls on it is the New Jersey Turnpike from Exit 6 north. The Turnpike was designed and built BEFORE the Interstate Highway System was established. The U.S. government LATER came and designated parts of this roadway as I-95 (the mainline of the Turnpike from Exit 6 to the New York state line at the George Washington Bridge) and I-78 (the Newark Bay Extension that connects the Turnpike mainline to the Holland Tunnel).
Correct, there is no alternative because there was nothing there before the bridge or tunnel was built.
Taking a road and adding a toll without an alternate route is a restriction on movement.
They had a Federal exemption that just got revoked. What do they win? an exemption back?
If they were in the right, they wouldn't have bothered with the initial exemption.
Yours is a very interesting answer. Suppose Pres Trump is as brilliant as many MAGA folks believe and is adept at 4D chess. Maybe this decision is bait to get Dems to demand from SCOTUS their X Amendment rights be protected and they be allowed the congestion fee without federal interference. Once the Court rules it become precedent and a block to future federal interference and X Amendment violations. And it would be the Dems who brought aboutprotection for states rights. As Hochul said yesterday, “We are a nation of states!”
“Even those who don’t drive on roads benefit from goods and services delivered by them.”
Transportation costs are embedded in the retail price of the good the fact that trucks only pay 24.4 cents in diesel tax per gallon while causing thousands of times the damage is us the taxpayer subsidizing the trucking companies. Trucks only get 7 miles per gallon which means that that tax rate it’s three and a half cents per mile. Given that individual state and fed gas taxes don’t even cover a single foot of road in a year. It’s all subsidy from the top income tax payers to everyone else.
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