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Listen to the terrible 'mistake' that caused DC plane crash, according to air traffic controller
Daily Mail UK ^ | January 31, 2025 | Rachel Bowman

Posted on 01/31/2025 12:29:30 AM PST by Morgana

An air traffic control veteran with 23 years of experience has revealed the mistake operators made in the moments leading up to the deadly collision in Washington, DC.

The American Airlines jet with 64 people onboard crashed with a US Army helicopter carrying three soldiers over the icy waters of the Potomac River Wednesday night, killing everyone.

The Black Hawk helicopter apparently flew in the jet's path as it landed at Ronald Reagan National Airport.

Investigators working through the wreckage in the Potomac uncovered two black box flight recorders on Thursday night as they attempt to determine what went wrong.

An experienced air traffic controller told DailyMail.com that the air traffic control (ATC) audio that emerged from the crash showed the operator's instructions to the helicopter were 'very ambiguous.'

In the nearly minute-and-a-half recording, ATC operators can be heard asking the helicopter if the commercial flight is in sight.

Through muffled audio, more commands and confirmations are made between ATC operators.

One air traffic controller said to the helicopter pilot: 'PAT 2-5, do you have the CRJ in sight?'

Seconds later, the controller spoke again, requesting: 'Pat 2-5 pass behind the CRJ.'

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Travel
KEYWORDS: 5342; atc; dca
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1 posted on 01/31/2025 12:29:30 AM PST by Morgana
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To: Morgana

A plane lands at upwards of 165mph, that’s about 250ft/scd. That’s not a lot of reaction time if the air traffic controller hasn’t done due diligence and gives clear instructions.


2 posted on 01/31/2025 12:34:01 AM PST by Jonty30 (If you ate your twin in the womb, your pronouns should be we/us.)
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To: Morgana

Let’s hope no one got misgendered during the conversation. That’s the important part.


3 posted on 01/31/2025 12:38:22 AM PST by HIDEK6 (God bless Donald Trump)
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To: Morgana

Looks like a near-perfect closing solution to me.


4 posted on 01/31/2025 12:46:35 AM PST by Steely Tom ([Voter Fraud] == [Civil War])
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To: HIDEK6

Misgendered persons would crash the plane on purpose if you offended them that way.


5 posted on 01/31/2025 12:50:37 AM PST by Jonty30 (If you ate your twin in the womb, your pronouns should be we/us.)
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To: Morgana
The helicopter's path remained relatively straight while the American Airlines flight veered to make its landing, and the two collided.

That is not how I would describe the helicopter's path. And Standard ceiling of helicopters in that air space was top at 200 feet. The collision was said to have been at 400 feet. (assuming that the altimeter on the helicopter was correct, it should never have happened. Terrain in the Potomac river area would affect the reading in one instance, but the chopper was always over the water and it was at the collision.)

Whole string of very costly errors.

6 posted on 01/31/2025 1:18:38 AM PST by Texas Fossil (Texas is not about where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind and Attitude.)
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To: Texas Fossil
errors

- TBD

7 posted on 01/31/2025 1:21:41 AM PST by 11th_VA (THANKS Elon)
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To: HIDEK6

Im sure the pronoun protocol was followed


8 posted on 01/31/2025 2:17:00 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana

Are you certain of this?
It is rumoured the helicopter pilot was a transgender. It’s out of the possibility he/she decided to show the world what happens when you don’t respect pronouns.


9 posted on 01/31/2025 2:29:17 AM PST by Jonty30 (If you ate your twin in the womb, your pronouns should be we/us.)
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To: Tennessee Nana
Observing the rules of virtue signaling detracts from efficient communicating.

That is the point of my snarky remark.

10 posted on 01/31/2025 2:40:51 AM PST by HIDEK6 (God bless Donald Trump)
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To: HIDEK6

I know

Thats why I replied in kind

:)


11 posted on 01/31/2025 2:44:21 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Jonty30

People were also saying that the ATC operator may not have been a native English speaker which could have led to communication issues.


12 posted on 01/31/2025 3:14:22 AM PST by sipow
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To: Morgana

I want the NAMES and PICTURES of the ATC people AND the Helicopter crew!!


13 posted on 01/31/2025 3:14:59 AM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion....... The HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Morgana

So it was ATC’s fault?


14 posted on 01/31/2025 3:38:52 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (Import The Third World,Become The Third World)
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To: HIDEK6
Let’s hope no one got misgendered during the conversation. That’s the important part.

Indeed. The misgendering occurred immediately after the conversation: 64 persons identifying as We/Be/Flying abruptly changed to We/Be/Dead.

15 posted on 01/31/2025 3:42:35 AM PST by Ahithophel (Communication is an art form susceptible to sudden technical failure)
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To: sipow
the ATC operator may not have been a native English speaker

IACO rules require that all "International" Airports have at least one French speaking and one English speaking controller on duty during all hours of operation. Air France pilots prefer to communicate with Logan in English. Quebecair insist on using la langue française.

16 posted on 01/31/2025 3:43:37 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

British airways communicates in English, but you can’t understand them.


17 posted on 01/31/2025 3:44:48 AM PST by Texas resident (AMF to BHO)
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To: Jonty30

“It is rumoured the helicopter pilot was a transgender.”

“The pilot of the Black Hawk has been identified as Chief Warrant Officer 2 (CW2) Jo Ellis, a transgender woman. Jo Ellis served in the Virginia National Guard for 15 years and transitioned while serving as a pilot. Jo has been making radicalized anti-Trump statements on socials. pic.twitter.com/JweX9sdtRM— Francesco™️ (@FakeGayPolitics) January 31, 2025”

He/she was in training, I think. When the SHTF about this DEI person, they’re probably going to say that he/she wasn’t the one actually flying the helicopter, and that it was one of the guys. But they’re all dead now, so who can know the truth? Maybe recordings between them and the tower can help distinguish one voice from another.


18 posted on 01/31/2025 3:44:53 AM PST by MayflowerMadam (It's hard not to celebrate the fall of bad people. - Bongino and)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Quebec is more miserable than France


19 posted on 01/31/2025 3:50:28 AM PST by Chickensoup
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To: sipow

I worked with a Haitian engineer (good guy, ambitious, hard working) at Raytheon. We did a lot of testing with the Army, where we communicated with the Army personnel (civilians I believe) over radio, he took a lot of shifts on headset. (Only one member of our crew spoke during a mission. We took turns.) He had a distinct Haitian accent, but I never noticed any deficiencies. Last I heard he was actually working at a contractor (Raytheon) maintained site in Japan with his Haitian bride. I don’t know what the Japanese make of him.


20 posted on 01/31/2025 3:51:30 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets
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