Posted on 12/31/2024 7:20:05 AM PST by Red Badger
An aviation expert said that a bird strike alone would not sufficiently explain why a South Korean airline jet skidded off a runway and crashed, killing nearly every passenger on board.
On Sunday, Jeju Air Flight 2216 was landing at Muan International Airport about 180 miles south of Seoul when the incident occurred, according to the Wall Street Journal. The crash killed 179 of the 181 passengers and crew members onboard.
WARNING: The following post contains video of the crash, which may be disturbing for some readers.
VIDEO AT LINK.................
“There are a million backups on this airplane. It’s extremely safe, and that’s what a lot of people are saying. They can’t understand why this airplane was landed on that runway at that speed with no flaps, with no gear. There might have been something else involved,” aviation consultant Mike Boyd told Fox News on Sunday.
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One of our FReeper pilots posted to me on another thread that the landing gear would normally be down at least several miles out.
However, some reports place the bird strike at ~1 km out.
That just doesn’t add up.
If the location of the hotel, from which the bird strike vid was made, can be confirmed at 1 or 1-1/2 km out, this is very strange indeed.
To clarify:
One of our FReeper pilots posted to me on another thread that the landing gear would normally be down at least several miles out.
However, some reports place the bird strike at ~1 km out. The gear was still up at that moment.
That just doesn’t add up.
If the location of the hotel, from which the bird strike vid was made, can be confirmed at 1 or 1-1/2 km out, this is very strange indeed.
Thing is, if he had continued his original approach, he probably could have landed safely. Wheels were down, flaps were set.
“Official Explanation of South Korean Plane Crash Doesn’t Add Up”
Things may have changed, but back in my Airline days both the 737 and the DC-9 had two hydraulic systems and manual backup that would enable the plane to land rather normally. So you could take out both hydraulic systems, but still easily land the plane. For the larger planes (747 and DC10), you needed at least some hydraulics to land due to their size (but then they have at least 3 hydraulic systems).
So, I agree, this is not adding up. The only thing that I can think of is that the Korean crew was not trained on how to manually fly the plane, since, well, you have computers for that (LOL). It is a problem in 3rd World Countries where you spend most of your time trying to train the flight crew how to use the computers, and actual flying of the airplane, particularly in emergencies, is an afterthought.
No FE on the 737. I herd the two survivors were both flight attendants.
Juan Brown of the Broncolerio YouTube channel put out a video a few hours ago. As usual, Juan was very informative and he went through several things about the crash. He questioned a complete hydraulic failure as there are 3 hydraulic systems so it would take something catastrophic to disable all 3. He questioned why the flight crew did not manually deploy the landing gear. And he questioned why the crew did not make a longer go around before trying to land. It was an interesting episode. And he blasted the airport for having the ILS system on an earthen mound at the end of the runway where it would be immovable. And then a concrete fence surrounding the airport. Even though the plane disintegrated when it it the ILS mound.
“For these reasons, I believe that one or both pilots were dead and the plane as deliberatly allowed to crash.”
^^^ Definition of stupidity.^^^
NO evidence of dead pilots,
AND even more proof of idiocy why would ‘someone’ engage the autoland to crash the aircraft ?
(if they had enough knowledge to do that they could have just rolled the aircraft inverted, quicker, easier and with a more guaranteed result)
“What the hell kind of bird did it hit?”
A frozen turkey, perhaps?
What evidence do you have to support accusation of “major stupidity in the airports ILS design.” ?
ILS installations are quite universally standardized for commercial passenger airports.
Crappy pilots is the most likely answer .
I had heard on the news that they were airborne for 4 minutes after announcing the mayday. I seems that would have been enough time to assess the situation and respond appropriately.
Yes - they use breakaway antennas installed at ground level. Nowhere are they installed on top of a concrete and earthen berm directly at the end of an active runway.
The airport and government are going to be sued into oblivion.
Well obviously “nowhere” doesn’t mean nowhere.
“The airport and government are going to be sued into oblivion.”
Likewise an invalid assertion.
SouthKorea is not necessarily as corrupt legal cesspool as the UnitedStates.
Do you have any idea how a modern commercial aircraft operates on landing? The landing gear will free fall to the down and locked position without hydraulics pressure. The ILS is engaged well before the LG and flaps are deployed. The autopilot follows the ILS all the way to the ground a few hundred feet from the end of the run way. This is a Cat III landing where all the pilot has to do (assuming that they armed the spoilers and put the flaps and landing gear down) is activate thrusters and apply the brakes. There was no attempt to do any of that. The plane passed the ILS landing area and, due to the ground lift effect, the plane continued a few feet above the runway for several hundred yards.
Some have mentioned a lack of training, but I cannot imagine a crew being so poorly trained that a bird strike would freak out the pilots and cause the crash.
So, either a pilot deliberately crashed the aircraft or they were incapable of doing it.
A CNN expert said that the runway was long enough that it should have been normally able to stop while skidding.
On the way back from the grocery store, I heard on FAUX NEWS for dumb people (hat tip to Steve Bannon) that South Korean authorities have issued an arrest warrant for the joker that declared martial law. He’s also being impeached. The replacement dude is also getting impeached.
Yes, the government is in big trouble and this incident is going to push it over the edge. Unfortunately, the joker is the “Republican” and his opposition would be right at home with Kamala leading it.
Point, There was a go-around. Why?
Point, The first approach was south to north/R 01 - R 19, and the second approach was north to south/R 19 - R 01. Why?
Point, On the go-around, the aircraft was functioning normally. (assumption)
Point, The bird strike occurred about the same time that the tower warned the aircraft of a potential for a bird strike, which was during it’s final (second) approach segment. (assumption)
Point, In checking Google maps, an overhead view reveals that there IS NOT any ILS infrastructure at the north end of the runway, and there is clearly enough room for an uncontrollable aircraft to skid to a stop without destroying itself.
Point, Did the pilots realize at the last minute/second, on the first landing approach (south to north/R 01 - R 19) that the ILS was at the (opposite) south end of the runway and NOT at the north end of the runway, and that they had to abort the landing and make an approach (north to south/R 19 - R 01) from the opposite direction?
Point, Do all landings have to be north to south in order/R 19 - R 01, to utilize the ILS?
Point, Does the fact that there is only an ILS at one end of the runway, answer questions one and two?
Good copy. Thank you.
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