Posted on 12/03/2024 4:30:09 AM PST by marcusmaximus
Vladimir Putin will reject Donald Trump's proposed peace plan and would only end the conflict in Ukraine if he gives him huge concessions, a hardliner close to the Kremlin has warned.
Russian tycoon Konstantin Malofeyev, who is sanctioned by the West, slammed Trump's recently picked envoy Keith Kellogg and his proposals on how to end the conflict with Kyiv.
'Kellogg comes to Moscow with his plan, we take it and then tell him to screw himself, because we don't like any of it. That'd be the whole negotiation,' Malofeyev said bluntly in an interview from a luxury Dubai resort.
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Malofeyev has responded by presenting a long list of demands which go beyond Putin's publicly-stated conditions for a ceasefire, which include Kyiv ceding four frontline regions to Russia and agreeing to never join NATO.
The businessman, who has strong influence but no official position in the Kremlin, told the FT that Trump would only have a chance of ending the conflict if he backtracked on the decision to allow Kyiv to use ATACMS long-range missiles on Russian territory.
He warned that the move had left the world 'on the brink of nuclear war', and said that if the US failed to roll back its support for Ukraine, Moscow could launch a tactical nuclear weapon.
'There will be a radiation zone nobody will ever go into in our lifetime,' he threatened. 'And the war will be over.'
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While the risk of nuclear war might still be relatively low the cost of one occurring is infinite. Because of that most insurance companies refuse to issue “catastrophic” loss insurance coverage, other examples are hurricanes or asteroid strikes.
When you multiply anything infinite loss by even a slight chance the result is unacceptable or impossible to recover losses.
So the total loss of Ukraine is acceptable to even a moderate risk of nuclear war. The collapse of civilization and death of my family are infinite costs.
The loss of Ukraine as a sovereign state is a recoverable loss.
There’s something called “The Russian Negotiating Style.” Whether they are desperate for a deal, any deal, or not, they play the game the same way. They become horrible, dangerous sounding people. Before the negotiating starts, they’ll tell you how much they don’t need you or any deal. It’s you who need the deal and they aren’t going to give it to you. They demand the moon, Mars and all of the rest of the solar system while offering the contents of your vacuum cleaner to you. Because Westerners are often nice people, and they want to reach a win/win Westerners often lose the negotiation. I think Trump is up for this. Democrats want to be liked by foreigners. Afterall, to a Democrat, America is the great evil. Therefore, they have a lot in common with the foreigners.
Negotiation is tough and takes time. The point of negotiation is win/win. First bids are typically not accepted.
Remember, NATO is a bunch of hand-wringing backstabbing grifting sycophants who’d sell their sister to a pack of gypsies if they could get away with it.
They’re in NATO because they’re cowards who historically haven’t been able to mount their citizens to fight for Western ideals except when it was too late. We babysit the lot of them.
Just tough talk while Biden is still in. We’ll see what goes down after inauguration day.
Russia should KEEP what it’s taken over....be paid a fine by NATO for starting the war by inviting that pos 3rd world tundra to be part of NATO.
There. That’s a peace plan.
And throw the comedian in prison for being a moron
This guy’s sole function seems to be to make Putin look like a moderate.
There are probably a few Russian fixed points:
1. Ukraine not in NATO
2. Ukraine officially neutral like Austria
3. no foreign troops in Ukraine
4. no missiles in Ukraine that can hit Moscow
5. Russian oligarchs get their assets back
6. Russia has its foreign holdings back
7. no economic sanctions on the Russian Federation
8. every bit of the Kursk oblast(?) back
9. Russia keeps Crimea, much of Donetsk & Luhansk
10. No discrimination against Russians & Russian language in Ukraine
11. Russian shall be an official language of Ukraine
If Pooty wins, nuclear blackmail will become the way of the world. That’s a 100% certainty of a future nuclear war.
Take your pick.
“There will be a radiation zone nobody will ever go into in our lifetime... And the war will be over”
I like it very much. Do it. The radiation will blow back into Russia and then both Ukraine and Russia will ease to exist. A win, win for the world. /spit
No, the idea of leaving the breadbasket of Europe in the hands of a government that is willing to launch a nuclear war in order to save face, and is willing to blackmail Europe is a bad idea.
It would be a better idea to restore Ukraine’s nuclear capability to deter the Russians. We should never have talked them into giving up their nukes in the first place.
We have that same problem with our peace at any price crowd.
Has there been a quote of Trump’s precise plan?
I’ve seen only talk of advisor plans. Or the usual media telepathy imagining they know what Trump is thinking, or what anyone else is thinking. But without a exact quote we don’t know what Trump’s plan would be.
It’s also useful to note that one of those Kremlin positions was that Kiev never joins NATO. They do not say Zelensky. They say Kiev.
And as has been true from day one neither side is going to believe the other and this renders negotiation somewhat pointless. A military junta in Kiev running the country could be trusted by Russia because the officers in question will have been lifelong friends with senior Russian officers with whom they attended School in their youth at Russian military institutions.
There’s not really any other path to peace.
They never had nukes.
Those were Soviet devices placed within a Soviet Socialist Republic called Ukraine. When we dock a submarine with nuclear capability out of port, those nuclear devices do not suddenly belong to the country in whose port they are docked.
Those devices needed to be sent back to Russia for the safety of Ukraine because maintenance required strictly Russian skill sets and nowhere else had them. Including the US. Beyond all of that, the launch codes did not reside in Ukraine.
At the very most you could make a case for extracting the materials and constructing your own bomb with them, but those were plutonium, not U235. Ukraine has had reactors for decades and the spent fuel rods contain some plutonium and they could extract that and build their own weapons.
But of course I don’t have the relevant skills which is why those original devices needed to be shipped out to begin with.
And so, the original sentence. They never had nukes.
Voice to text error. They don’t have the relevant skills.
10 is literally impossible. Many may not want to go to the front & risk death, but most of central and western Ukraine is now seething with hatred of Russians...
“The businessman, who has strong influence but no official position in the Kremlin, told the FT that Trump would only have a chance of ending the conflict if he backtracked on the decision to allow Kyiv to use ATACMS long-range missiles on Russian territory.”
The ATACMS missiles lack the range and the possible targets to be decisive.
What matters is the ability of the Russian forces to move the front lines towards Odessa and the inability of the US, UK, EU and Ukraine to prevent Russian advances.
“10 is literally impossible. Many may not want to go to the front & risk death, but most of central and western Ukraine is now seething with hatred of Russians...”
The return of land to Ukraine may not all come in 2025.
Trump will not put up with Putin. The little POS must be in a panic.
Russia preferred Harris...as did all of his supporters.
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