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Scientists discover what caused the Roman Empire to collapse 1,500 years ago
Daily Mail UK ^ | November 16 ,2024 | Nikki Main

Posted on 11/16/2024 9:08:33 AM PST by SunkenCiv

They discovered that the Romans miscalculated their Persian-Sassanian opponents which caused their downward spiral, leaving them weak and allowing Islam to rise in a manner that essentially wiped out the once-powerful civilization.

The two groups were at war from 54 BC to 628 for control of territories, but the Persians and Sassanians took over Roman trade routes that were critical to their victory.

Without access to trade, the economy quickly collapsed and forced people in the Roman Empire to flee to other regions like Constantinople, the researchers discovered...

The team analyzed shipwrecks throughout the Mediterranean from multiple sites, such as Marseille, Naples, Carthage, eastern Spain and Alexandria, to better understand what caused the fall.

They identified a timeline for when Roman ships, which lined the shores by the hundreds at their pea, began to disappear and dwindled down to just dozens by the second half of the 7th century...

Previous research had suggested that a plague decimated the Roman Empire in 543 AD.

But the new study found the civilization was at the height of its power, economic output and population.

Researchers looked at the number of shipwrecks in the Mediterranean Sea and pottery uncovered at archaeology sites.

They discovered more than 16,000 pieces of pottery uncovered in Nessana - a city located in the southwest Negev desert in Israel, close to the Egyptian border.

The shards were determined to have been traded by the Roman Empire during the late 6th and early 7th centuries, which confirmed that the civilization was still thriving.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: ancientnavigation; fall; fauxiantrolls; freepun; godsgravesglyphs; persianempire; romanempire; romantrade; rome; sassaniandynasty; sassanians; silkroad; silkroute; traderoutes
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To: SunkenCiv

Why on earth did they have anything in the Negev Desert? It was on average probably two degrees warmer than now. What a perfectly miserable horrible place to live.


41 posted on 11/16/2024 10:11:29 AM PST by Sequoyah101 (Donald John Trump. First man to be Elected to the Presidency THREE times since FDR.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Some think that America can withdraw from the world and leave it to China and Russia to rearrange things as they wish, I wonder is America would find itself eventually inside a closing vise of shrinking trade, allies and friends, and international interaction until its submission to outside power became unavoidable.


42 posted on 11/16/2024 10:11:41 AM PST by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: Ezekiel; SunkenCiv; Round Earther
Pax Romana = world peas

And when it failed, Rome didn't have a pot to pea in.

43 posted on 11/16/2024 10:14:03 AM PST by null and void ( Every political system is flawed, and all bureaucracies are corrupt. ~ chud)
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To: ansel12

Yes, they are foreign, anti-American trolls who want that to happen.


44 posted on 11/16/2024 10:23:37 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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To: null and void

I legume make that remark, at least I didn’t have to do it.


45 posted on 11/16/2024 10:24:38 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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To: Sequoyah101

The Negev wasn’t as dry, and hadn’t become defoliated the way it was before the kibbutzim got there. The modern method of trickle irrigation can be traced to that, if memory serves.


46 posted on 11/16/2024 10:26:13 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Pretty sure it was wokeness and deficit spending. :)


47 posted on 11/16/2024 10:27:09 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ([CTRL]-[GALT]-[DELETE])
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To: Round Earther

The Empire lasted until May 29 1453.


48 posted on 11/16/2024 10:27:10 AM PST by Mmogamer (I refudiate the lamestream media, leftists and their prevaricutions.)
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To: SunkenCiv
I legume make that remark, at least I didn’t have to do it.

You're not a pod people or you would have...

49 posted on 11/16/2024 10:33:03 AM PST by null and void ( Every political system is flawed, and all bureaucracies are corrupt. ~ chud)
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To: BigEdLB

Islam didn’t appear until the 7th century

Islam certainly was the main threat to the Byzantines, but when the Germanic barbarian Odoacer overthrew the “last emperor” of Rome in 476 he didn’t even bother to declare himself or anyone else “emperor,” nor Theodoric or the Ostrogoths after him.

They all knew that power had shifted East.


50 posted on 11/16/2024 10:35:50 AM PST by PGR88
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To: All

Very important to understand History academe.

There is nothing that History hates more than disease. Disease destroys the pathway to a gazillion topics for PhD dissertations. They love to speculate about trade and economy and sociological this and that.

But the reality that Rome was surrounded by bogs at the time, and the temperature only needed a degree or two to become comfortable for Anopholes mosquitos, tells the tale. Malaria can only be spread by that type of mosquito and it needs bogs/swamps and a bit of heat.

And that was that for Rome.


51 posted on 11/16/2024 10:37:40 AM PST by Owen
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To: SunkenCiv

High taxes and the progeny of early Democrats.


52 posted on 11/16/2024 10:38:07 AM PST by ABStrauss (I miss Rush!)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Having sex with anything you could get to hold still was common in all pagan cultures.

The idea that maybe you should control your sexual desires rather then be controlled by them is the Jewish gift to the world. And is a good part of what made advanced civilization possible.

53 posted on 11/16/2024 10:39:54 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear ( Not my circus. Not my monkeys. But I can pick out the clowns at 100 yards.)
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To: Round Earther

Only the Western half.


54 posted on 11/16/2024 10:40:38 AM PST by Aeneas2112 (YOU are your own first responder)
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To: null and void; SunkenCiv; Round Earther; The Spirit Of Allegiance; Rennes Templar
And when it failed, Rome didn't have a pot to pea in.

Or even a legume to stand on. No pulse so yeah,

Hasta la peasta!

55 posted on 11/16/2024 11:04:06 AM PST by Ezekiel (🆘️ "Come fly with US". 🔴 Ingenuity -- because the Son of David begins with MARS ♂️, aka every man)
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To: Fireone

When you forget who you are and what you believe in, something (or someone) will come in to fill the void. We are designed to believe .... In something or someone.

Who or what is your God?


56 posted on 11/16/2024 11:07:21 AM PST by Whatever Works (The real power lies in who counts the votes and controls the teleprompter.)
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To: Ezekiel

Well played, my hat’s off to you!


57 posted on 11/16/2024 11:08:44 AM PST by null and void ( Every political system is flawed, and all bureaucracies are corrupt. ~ chud)
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To: SunkenCiv

Rome never had a covenant with God Almighty.


58 posted on 11/16/2024 11:12:09 AM PST by reasonisfaith (What are the personal implications if the Resurrection of Christ is a true event in history?)
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To: reasonisfaith
Lot's of excuses here, but God revealed the fall of Rome to Daniel thousands of years earlier than when it did. The fall of Rome was destined to fulfill the will of God. I call this Rome I and later the Antichrist will rise from what I call Rome II in the last days. Rome I didn't really fall, it just faded away, but will rise again with what God tells us is Iron mixed with clay. IMO, Rome II will rise from the eastern half of Rome I. Scripture refers to this Antichrist as "The Assyrian". All of this is covered in the book of Daniel.

Whether Rome fell from bad management or poor money management, it was foreseen by God and fits in the plan God has to end the world as we know it. The end of Roman power might have a lot of interesting trivia to learn, but the will of God is irresistible.

59 posted on 11/16/2024 12:12:56 PM PST by chuckles
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60 posted on 11/16/2024 12:14:10 PM PST by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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