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We Need To Do Away With Executive Orders

Posted on 11/07/2024 6:16:39 AM PST by whitney69

One of the most common “presidential” documents in our modern government is an executive order. Every American president has issued at least one, totaling more than (as of this writing) 13,731 since George Washington took office in 1789. Media reports of “changes made by executive order,” or “executive orders to come” rarely explain what the document is, or other technical details, such as why, or how. They seem to be “instant law,” and, at times, steeped in controversy.

Over the last few decades this action has been used to overstep the founders efforts to create and/or maintain a democratic form of government to be controlled by the people's majority rather than one person or party with the changing of law(s) by one swipe of the president's pen. No one person should have such a broad sweeping capacity in our government. Executive orders went from ordering special types of pencils to over ruling the will of the people. Ban them.


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1 posted on 11/07/2024 6:16:39 AM PST by whitney69
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To: whitney69

Orders by the chief executive are both Constitutional and necessary.

They are the primary method of keeping the unelected bureaucracy in check.

And also abused by democrats.

What needs to happen is specific laws that reign in the bureaucracy and abuses by the chief executive


2 posted on 11/07/2024 6:19:48 AM PST by TheThirdRuffian (Orange is the new brown)
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To: whitney69

Nope...It’s one of the few special powers afforded the President. It’s used for all kinds of things...not just political footballing.


3 posted on 11/07/2024 6:19:52 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: whitney69

I would say the EO is a direct result of the Pork barrell politics.

ANY bill that comes across is now 10k pages long and loaded with so much unrelated legislation to the bill’s “intended purpose”.

The country and C In C.. MUST have some degree of being able to act immediately, in certain circumstances. So, EO MUST be preserved. But severely narrowed in scope.

If you REALLY wanted to change things.. Give the president a line item veto power.

Force congress to pass clear, single issue/ single focus bills.


4 posted on 11/07/2024 6:25:29 AM PST by uranium penguin
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To: Sacajaweau; All

We need a USSC ruling that they are clarifications\directives solely for the bureaucracy. If that doesn’t happen, they will continue to morph into “royal decrees”.


5 posted on 11/07/2024 6:27:01 AM PST by Reily
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To: whitney69

Now that Trumps coming back, your suggestion is to cripple him by removing Executive Orders. 🤔DUDE?


6 posted on 11/07/2024 6:29:11 AM PST by Lockbox (politicians, they all seemed like game show host to me.... Sting)
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To: whitney69

So-called executive orders are properly issued to manage the internal affairs of the executive branch - so long as within legal and constitutional bounds. They’re not intended to overwrite the law or violate the constitution. Neither are they intended to serve as laws themselves.

“Public federal offices shall be open not less than seven hours a day Monday through Friday.” Would be a proper executive order. As would temporary orders to deal with sudden emergencies when Congress can’t take up the matters in time (Congress is out of session, etc.)

95 percent of the exec orders we’ve witnessed on the last few years were otherwise.


7 posted on 11/07/2024 6:29:17 AM PST by faithhopecharity ("Politicians aren't born, they're excreted." Marcus Tullius Cicero (106 to 43 BCE))
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To: whitney69

Agreed, rashly without reading you.

EOs may be necessary for REAL emergencies, but so much is not “emergency”.

EOs essentially allow tyranny by fiat, without legislative input.

As a result, too, the tyranny by one is cancelled by the next the same way.

This can also result in instability. Imagine all the de facto “laws” created on a whim within 4 years.


8 posted on 11/07/2024 6:30:58 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs.)
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To: whitney69
The author has good intentions but completely misunderstands the issue.

The reason E.O.s have become problematic is because the Executive branch agencies effectively (and Unconstitutionally) write laws while bypassing Congress, aka Administrative Law.

These agencies need to be abolished.

9 posted on 11/07/2024 6:31:33 AM PST by SecondAmendment (The history of the present Federal Government is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations ...)
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So, when a democrat is president, Executive Orders are fine and dandy.

But when a Republican is president, Executive Orders must be banned.

Uh-huh. Sure.


10 posted on 11/07/2024 6:31:54 AM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation (I "earned" the same number of delegates during the primaries in 2020 and 2024 as Harris.)
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To: whitney69

The EO has been abused for decades.

They are supposed to be nothing more than directives the chief executive (president) puts into place directing executive agencies how to carry out the laws passed by the legislator.

They should be very limited and very specific.

But they have been used as an unconstitutional means of executive overreach to impose what has been misconstrued as legislation through the executive branch.


11 posted on 11/07/2024 6:32:01 AM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare to survive.)
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To: whitney69

lol

I need to review your history


12 posted on 11/07/2024 6:32:38 AM PST by wardaddy (FREE J6ers JAIL LIZ CHENEY! COMEY CLAPPER BRENNAN CARLAND SMITH and so on)
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To: whitney69

I’d say not until after Trump issues his, primarily revoking every one of them that Joey Biden issued.


13 posted on 11/07/2024 6:38:26 AM PST by kawhill
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To: whitney69

In reality, the EOs are necessary for the executive branch to fulfill their obligations. They set the rules for the administration. They are not “law” per se, but rather the parameters under which the administration will operate. As situations change, these parameters can be changed to meet the needs.

When the Congress is deadlocked, these have become the method Presidents have used to get things done. (“I have a phone and a pen.”)

It would be wonderful if the Congress actually got stuff done…but they don’t.


14 posted on 11/07/2024 6:41:15 AM PST by Vermont Lt
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To: whitney69

I think it would be better if executive orders expired when the president leaves office. Let the next president decide which ones to keep.


15 posted on 11/07/2024 6:42:36 AM PST by kosciusko51
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To: whitney69
Ban them.

In order to "ban them" you would need a law that is signed by a President, who would do that?

BTW, I just saw on another blog that Elon Musk is investing $120 million to keep his political operation going in order to offset george soros' backing local DAs and Elon will invest in mid-term congress critter elections.

This might be the second best thing that comes out of this election cycle, getting the richest man in the world active in the MAGA movement for the long term.

Obviously, Trump winning was first, but long term, having Musk involved in politics {on the correct side} is a big win.

16 posted on 11/07/2024 6:42:40 AM PST by USS Alaska (NUKE ALL MOOSELIMB TERRORISTS, NOW.)
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To: Vermont Lt

Perhaps if Congress is ‘deadlocked’ then it shouldn’t be done period.

The thing I would like to see is no more CRs! How can they be Constitutional? If Congress can’t do its job and decide on a budget then there’s no money period. Yes, it would be bad for a lot of people, but it might concentrate the Congressional collective mind. It also might make people think a little harder about the wisdom of splitting their ticket. Just maybe sending the ‘Good Old Boy’ back for his 20th term where says one thing to get elected but does the opposite or ‘status quo’ in office is not such a good thing to do.


17 posted on 11/07/2024 6:50:53 AM PST by Reily
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To: uranium penguin
If you REALLY want to change things abolish the Congressional Budget Act of 1974 and all of its cousins since and pass a balanced budget act with teeth in it. Give the President back budgetary discretion to cut programs and not spend money allocated by a wasteful Congress, put us back on an annually justified ZERO BASE BUDGET instead of this Baseline Budget spend fest with 3% built in increases on top of inflation.

Put Congress back to work doing their job of managing the purse strings, advise and consent and oversight instead of the K-street candy store of endless legislation to flood the CFR.

The EO is being used for things never intended. It is not instead of Congressional Acts and Law. It is supposed to be an administrative tool of existing law.

18 posted on 11/07/2024 6:52:14 AM PST by Sequoyah101 (Donald John Trump. First man to be Elected to the Presidency THREE times since FDR.)
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To: whitney69

Wait until the end of Trump’s Presidency.


19 posted on 11/07/2024 6:52:15 AM PST by Eli Kopter
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation
So, when a democrat is president, Executive Orders are fine and dandy.

But when a Republican is president, Executive Orders must be banned.


That's a BINGO
20 posted on 11/07/2024 6:56:54 AM PST by The Louiswu (Pray for Peace in the world.)
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