Trump Standout on Saturday-My Account (VANITY)

10/27/2024 | rlmorel

[rlmorel]

I participated in a Standout this past Saturday in my Bluest of Blue states. This is probably the fourth one I have been to in the past several months, and every single one of them was very satisfying and even entertaining.

We always had good turnouts on our side, excellent responses from the citizenry passing in their cars, and a total lack of Leftists.

The Conservatives standing out the prior weekend in the same location said they had several Leftists who were mingling in and causing problems, so they asked if we could attend their standout to bolster their numbers and provide a cushion of safety that more people could provide, since they heard a rumor there might be more of them.

I have been to a good number of these kinds of things over the years, and one of the key unspoken tenets observed by both sides is that you don't mix groups, as that is a recipe for trouble. That doesn't mean you can't go over and talk to the other side. I have seen that and done it myself. If you want to actually have a discussion. But that was very different than what we saw this past Saturday.

These were people who came into our area with the express intention of causing strife and conflict. This is my account.

[rlmorel]

I arrived a little early, and I saw Harris supporters getting out of cars with signs. This was disappointing, but not unexpected. It was as much their right to have a presence on this large and busy crossroads as ours to be there, so that's how it goes.

I got there in time to meet with one of the other members of our team, and we began to stake out territory. This is how it is done. You get there before someone else, and lay your claim to a contiguous region, along the road which we did. Our group eventually spread out to cover each of the four corners, we had maybe 10-15, and they had perhaps the same number. Their group was all female, and included four young girls of perhaps eight years old.

The Leftists set up on one side of one leg of the crossroads and put more of their crowd on the other side of our corner (with our main body sandwiched between) and we spread out to cover the rest.

It was not as much fun because we could not tell who the passing cars were honking in support of, but that is how those things work. Also (and I know I am not alone in this) I detest the bovine female screeching of the crowds you hear from the Oprah show, Good Morning America, and any other number of network television shows, and we would hear that from them anytime someone showed them direct support. Well, that is their thing, and I had to concede they haven't had much to enthusiastically screech about lately, so I would shrug my shoulders.

And that is how it went for some time, with the honks of support along with their thumbs up as they passed, and the Leftists in their cars would pass by frowning and scowling with the accompanying thumbs down. We would still get the occasional middle fingers, sometimes the double-barreled ones, and even occasional shouted obscenities.

This is nothing new. Par for the course.

We had a woman who brought a bullhorn with her, and said things like "Vote Trump" and "Democrats are destroying this country" and she put it down after a while. We had another woman with us who had emigrated to the US from Communist China and became a US Citizen, and she picked that bullhorn up and used I the way I had seen Asians use bullhorns in dissident protests when I lived in Japan. She was able to maintain a non-stop clear string of verbiage like "Kamala Harris is a communist! Kamala Harris is a socialist! Kamala Harris hates white people and wants to divide them! Kamala Harris hates latinos and wants to divide them! The Democrat Party wants to divide and weaken people! This is what the Communists do in Communist China!"

More than once I would point her out to people and say "Listen to her. She knows what this is all about. When people like her say things like this, that what she saw in Communist China is appearing here in this country, I am going to listen closely and take it to heart."

And this was how things went for most of the day. However, near the end, we had one of the same Leftist interlopers from the prior week show up, mingling in with us, and standing in front of one woman to obscure her sign. He was an averaged sized hippie-looking guy with long stringy hair and dirty white beard wearing a blue t-shirt with a tie-dyed multi-color "Peace" or something like that on the front of it.

The woman he would step in front of to block her was having none of it, and she would just reposition herself and put her sign in front of his. This went on for some time, but she was just as persistent as he was, I said to the guy "Look, we don't "hate" you and are willing to talk, but what you are doing isn't how things are done." He saw my military hat and said "Well, you're military, so I hate you, and..." I just shut him out and turned around to face traffic.

Around this time, a balding, bearded guy of perhaps 35-45 years walked up to me since I as all the way out "defending the flank" with the Leftist women about five or ten feet away. I saw him walk up to me, smiling and open, with the obvious intent of speaking to me. I reciprocated, that openness being in my nature, and he introduced himself. He said he was a reporter, and asked if he could interview me. The conversation went something like this:

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STRANGE MAN: Hi, how are you doing?

ME: Doing great! What's up?

STRANGE MAN: Just passing by, and wanted to see what is going on.

ME: Sure. Just ask.

STRANGE MAN: I'm a reporter. Would you mind if I interviewed you? (holding his phone out in recording mode)

ME: No. Please don't take this personally. I don't trust your profession at all. Nothing personal, but I simply don't trust the media, so, no. I don't want to be interviewed.

STRANGE MAN: Oh. Okay. I'll put my phone away. (Puts it in his pocket, but I expect he was still recording.) NOTE: My state requires consent by all parties to record a conversation, so even if he was still recording, it would be illegal to use.) Can I ask you a few questions then, off the record?

ME: Sure. Ask away.

STRANGE MAN: I just want to ask you a question: why would you support a candidate who says he will use the US Military to hunt down and kill journalists who disagree with him?

ME: That's absurd. He's not going to do that.

STRANGE MAN: How do you know? He said he was going to do it, and we should take him at his word.

ME: He had four years in which to do that, and he didn't do it. I don't expect him to now.

STRANGE MAN: How do you know he hasn't changed his mind?

ME: It's BS. He isn't going to do that.

STRANGE MAN: You were in the military. Do you approve of enabling the US Military to murder reporters, people like me, who disagree with him?

ME: Of course I don't. That's just stupid media BS.

STRANGE MAN: Why do you say that? Respected Generals, war heroes like General Mark Milley and General both say he is a fascist and would do just that-

ME: Okay. Wait. You are referring to General Mark Milley, who went behind his Commander in Chief's back to talk to secretly "reassure" his counterpart in the Communist Chinese military that if Trump launched an attack, he would not carry out the attack. That "General" Milley? That man is disgrace to the US Military, and should have been fired and punished.

STRANGE MAN: Oh, come on. That sounds like "Fake News" to me. I've never heard of that.

ME: Oh, really? You've never heard of that? Really? You're a reporter, and have never heard of that? You need to check that out. He admitted it.

STRANGE MAN: Well, how about how much he admires Hitler? General Kelly said-

ME: Sorry. It's all Media BS.

STRANGE MAN: How can you say that? These are war heroes saying this-

ME: Those "Generals" are both disgraces to the uniform-

STRANGE MAN: Those are war heroes-

ME: Those men took an oath when they were commissioned to protect and defend the Constitution of The United States, and supporting the Democrat Party as they do shows that they have violated their oath, and cannot be trusted. I am former military-

STRANGE MAN: Yeah, I know. I see your hat. But you don't know anything-

ME: Yeah. I don't know anything-

STRANGE MAN: (shouting at passing cars) I am against fascism! That's why I am here! I am going to fight facism! THESE PEOPLE ARE FASCISTS!

ME: Yeah. Right. I'm a Fascist. We are all Fascists. Yeah.

STRANGE MAN:(shouting at me, approaching me within a foot, and poking his finger in my face). Yeah. You hate me. You want to kill me, don't you? You see me as an enemy who should be killed, don't you? Don't you?

ME: If you're in the media, I certainly regard you as an enemy. But you're the one who is saying we are going to kill you. Trump isn't saying that, and I am not saying that. That is you.

STRANGE MAN: You want to punch me, don't you? DON'T YOU? (NOTE: At this point, several of my group came over, because he was now seriously unhinged, his face was red, his eyes were bugging out, and he had spittle on his lips. They attempted to de-escalate the situation, I suspect because they thought I was going to slug the guy. But I was never going to punch him. I have impulse control, but it was pretty uncertain as to whether he had any impulse control. I was not going to end up on any video taking the first such at a douchebag like him. Never going to happen.)

ME: Yeah, right. I'm a fascist. We're all out to kill you...

STRANGE MAN: You're ignorant. You're a little man. A little man...

ME: (facing the passing cars with my sign). Yeah. Ok. I'm a "little man"...

WOMAN IN MY GROUP: (talking to the deranged Leftist). I'm a Christian, and I don't hate you. Nobody is going to harm you..."

STRANGE MAN: HE called me an "ENEMY" (pointing at me)...

From that point on we ignored him, and out of the corner of my eye, I saw him talking to a few more or our team, and the last I heard of him was as he recorded himself, walking back and forth about twenty feet away, talking loudly to his phone (ensuring he was overheard) saying "I am here at a Trump Rally today, and came here today to stir things up..."

I have been to dozens of protests and standouts in the last twenty years, probably at a minimum 4-6 a year, and have had plenty of experience facing off against these people. In this case, when the guy appeared smiling and friendly, he was no different than many people I have encountered over the years who really were approaching me at a demonstration out of real curiosity and to find out what was going on. Those people were almost universally middle of the road, or conservative.

This man, however, was deliberately trying to hide his intentions, and was clearly angling for an ambush. Granted, I KNEW as soon as he asked me his first question, but I was going to let it play out. He wasn't hostile at that point. In retrospect, I should have just ignored him after his first question, since my extensive experience with them tells me there is no such thing as "civil discourse" with his type, but I admit to being curious as to how he was going to proceed.

He didn't disappoint.

There was one more thing about those Harris supporters that really affected me, and made a bit depressed about the day. I mentioned earlier that there were four young girls, perhaps eight year-olds there.

I question the judgement of anyone who brings little kids like that to an event like this, where the temperatures are sure to be elevated, but...it is their kids.

At one point those little girls were chanting in unison like Cheerleaders for Kamala, but instead of some cheer you might expect from girls that age, I heard “Vote Harris-F**k Trump!” repeated over and over again. I am not one of those people who records everything, but I had to try to get my phone out and record it because I felt pretty sure there are people who wouldn't believe it is true. Unfortunately, by the time the shock wore off and I got my phone recording, it was tailing off (Probably because one of the "responsible" adults over on that side realized it wasn't a good look for their side)

I was pretty shocked. The first time I ever heard the “F” word uttered in the presence of my parents (by ANYONE, not just us kids) was when I was fifteen.

It saddened me to hear these young girls doing this chant. I know the “F” word is far less serious today than it was when I was fifteen, but still. It made me think those girls didn’t have a chance to think for themselves, and likely never will.

Resisting cussing is an integral part of fundamental impulse control. And the Left, and those poor girls don’t have that.

So, yeah. It bothered me.

And I did keep in mind my hearing isn’t what it used to be, but the way the spoken consonants of what they were saying fit together, I thought of all things it might have been that could be mistaken for “F**k” with the name “Trump” after it, I honestly cannot find an alternative that would not sound absurd coming before the shouted name “Trump!”

It was one of the saddest things to realize that I could be so out of touch that the “F” word could be so freely spoken by eight year old kids in front of their parents, who not only did not admonish them severely, had to be actively encouraging them. Granted, there are other more obvious indicators, but that one really hit me.

[ArtDodger]

I saw a stand out happen on Main Street in Culpeper, Virginia on Saturday. It seemed to be very successful. Lots of support from passing cars and pedestrians. They were out there for hours. After they left, the dems came and set up with a weak showing and no response from cars.

[Persevero]

Thank you very much for your service.

[rlmorel]

That is always nice to hear. That in weeks past we were getting such good reaction in my blue state made me realize just how locked down the Democrat Party has baked itself into the state politics.

But hey. Gotta try.

[rlmorel]

LOL, it seems like my hat made me a target from both of these pukes!

[Jamestown1630]

I have been surprised and disappointed too, at how a lot of words that never used to be used by or in front of kids, in the workplace, in one’s everyday encounters with merchants, etc., are now used all the time.

We’ve become an ugly culture in a lot of ways.

[Delta 21]

The strange man told him in the prior set that he saw him as an enemy to be destroy. Putting the words in his mind and all he did was confirm that he was the enemy.

[rlmorel]

I found that very discouraging.

I used to swear a lot in my younger days (Never around my parents or even strangers if I could avoid it) but as I got older, I realized it was an indicator of weakness, so I try to avoid excessive swearing, and most especially, the taking of God’s name in vain, something I did mindlessly as a younger man.

Especially when I was working on cars. My nephew (now a fully grown man in his forties) told his father that everything he knew about swearing he learned from watching me work on my cars. I know that to be no doubt true, because I had a completely full alternate vocabulary, but it does embarrass me now.

It has been a lifelong battle to rid myself of it and I have been largely successful, though as anyone who has seen me bash my shin on a trailer hitch, not wholly successful.

[rlmorel]

That is why this type of slur (accusing Trump falsely of being Hitler) is so dangerous-weak people like this disturbed man take it to heart.

And almost any “normal” person can find it in themselves to justify murder, if the object of the murder is “Hitler”. Who of us hasn’t posed that question to themselves: “If I had been able to kill Hitler before 1939, would that have been a moral thing to do?”

For Leftists to accuse Trump of being Hitler, suspicious minds think it isn’t just for the purposes of overheated rhetoric to spur on people like this strange and disturbed man who approached me.

That said, when I accuse Leftists as Communists (and Fascists, as I am one who sees both of those ideologies close/overlapping on the political scale, with Anarchy (no government) at on end of the spectrum, and Complete Totalitarianism at the opposite end. Fascism and Communism are both near the Complete Totalitarianism end with a Constitutional Republic is somewhere in the middle ) I have facts to back it up, not hearsay from some ideologue in the media.

[Jamestown1630]

Tell me about it - my husband burned himself getting something into the oven tonight :-)

My Grandmother’s husband married her after many years as a single military man. He admitted that he had to really work to clean up his language when he came out of the service and worked in the government as a civilian. (And that was over a hundred years ago!)

[rlmorel]

I hope he is okay! But I know about that...

I always tell the story about how I got out of Boot Camp and came home on leave just in time for Thanksgiving! Still had the Boot Camp stubble on my head

We had about 15 people there, extended family, and I was telling a story about Boot Camp when I realized everyone was staring fixedly at me with frozen looks on their face, and I realized, without even realizing it, as naturally as breathing, that I had just said, in a loud voice, clearly and distinctly, the “F” word!

I had never even said that word in front of my parents before!

[NEMDF]

Thanks for sharing your experience. Though, I must admit, it all makes me fairly sad. Strange man could have been one of my brothers, and it seems all of my 6 siblings are veering toward extreme liberalism, to the point of wanting to pick fights with me, insult my veteran husband, etc. to show how they think they are so virtuous. It has been a struggle for me the past few weeks, in part because it seems like they are permanently dug in to their viewpoints, and I do not plan to change mine.

[Jamestown1630]

I’m sure that after the initial ‘shock’, they understood and forgave you :-)

[rlmorel]

I feel your pain here.

It is saddening to me as well, as one of my siblings is wholly into the “Resist” movement that I regard as enemies of this country.

And he isn’t likely to change. I have to figure out how to deal with it. He is still my brother.

[Alas Babylon!]

You’re my hero man! I really mean it. God Bless you!

[FlingWingFlyer]

Thanks for sharing this. I admire what you did. It goes to show what a great job Obama has done destroying American unity. It no longer exists. I do feel that America is headed towards a civil war and Obama’s “seventeen intelligence communities” are not going to have the ability nor the courage to stop it. Same thing goes for Obama’s “military”. A lot of Americans are going to die as the cowardly illegal aliens make a run back to south of the border. It will be ugly. Greed is always ugly.

[rlmorel]

I must say-I did not communicate how hot I was getting in my discourse-it reads like I am cool and composed, but I was getting pissed, especially when that douchebag started sticking his finger in my face.

I got pretty hot, especially when he said I wanted to kill him. Words from HIS mouth, not mine. Now, I do not in any way, shape, or form have a poker face, and I don't doubt the guy saw it, and perhaps my mates out there with me did too, which may be why they came over to intervene, but there was no way I was going to say anything to him that could be construed in any way as a threat, never mind actually instigating physical violence. Wasn't going to do it. Period.

It was a late moment to realize he was trying to provoke a response from me. I had a previous incident like this many years ago, but there was one difference. This guy from back in 2008 was pretty obvious from the get-go he was a provocateur.

I was at a 2008 Tea Party rally at Boston Common with a physician I worked with, and it was a great day, large crowd, sunny, just a lot of fun.

IIRC, Sarah Palin was the speaker, and she came on and was speaking, and this guy came up and stood in front of me, facing me. Then he came closer to the point he was in my face and I couldn't ignore him, and asked about my sign. I stepped to the side to see the stage, and he mirrored my move. He was less than a foot away, deep inside my personal space. When I recognized he was just there to pick a fight, I said "Look. I am not really interested in talking to you." and stepped to the side.

Again he mirrored my move, staying in my space, and talking the whole time. Again, I said I wasn't interested in talking to him, and at this point, strangers around me began to talk to the guy saying "Hey, he said he isn't interested in talking to you..." and such.

For what it is worth, the guy looked just like the guy in "Forrest Gump" who slapped his girlfriend, causing Gump to ruin their "Black Panther Party".

While they were admonishing this guy, I looked over and saw a whole group of college age people, all videoing the encounter. They were clearly hoping for me to take a swing at the guy.

Thing is, as much as I would have liked to, I simply couldn't. I was carrying, and I had to be the adult in this. No way I was going to end up rolling on the ground with a weapon on my person. Anything can happen. And that is my mindset-I have to be the adult in the room in these things, because they sure as hell won't be.

[rlmorel]

It is sobering, FRiend. I just saw a thread titled something like “What will happen if Trump wins?” and I think I already know.

[Zathras]

You did well!
Interesting to see how he lied to you to try and trap you.
You were wise enough NOT to fall for the trap.
Very likely he had someone setup to record your response if you got physical.

[rlmorel]

I didn't see anyone-he appeared to be a "lone wolf"...

But we know from James O'Keefe's undercover operations, that this is exactly what they do.

This link from Real Clear Politics shows in full O'Keefe's undercover video where Democratic activists Robert Creamer and Scott Foval reveal their strategy to create a sense of "anarchy" in and around Donald Trump events over the course of the campaign back in 2016 (both have since been fired)

They call this activity "Bird Dogging".

LINK: Real Clear Politics - James O'Keefe: Clinton Campaign, DNC Coordinated With Organizations To Incite Violence At Trump Events

I believe I had first hand experience with this back in 2010 at that Tea Party rally on Boston Common where a provocateur was trying to induce me to attack him so it could be recorded.

I do not believe that was the case here, I think this was simply a deranged and disturbed individual acting on his own.

But we know from the linked article/video above that this is a core tactic of the Left. Here is some of the dialogue as outlined in the Real Clear Politics article:

"In another undercover interview, Creamer tells Project Veritas that his organization, Democracy Partners, has daily check-ins with the Clinton campaign in order to coordinate efforts. “I just had a call with the campaign and the DNC, every day at one o’clock,” says Creamer subordinate Zulema Rodriguez in the video.

Foval explains to O'Keefe's undercover journalist how the web of Democratic organizations is designed to subvert laws preventing Super PACs and political action groups from organizing directly with campaigns: "The campaign pays DNC, DNC pays Democracy Partners, Democracy Partners pays the Foval Group, the Foval Group goes and executes the sh*t on the ground... Democracy Partners is the tip of the spear on that stuff."

"We're consultants so we're not the official entity and so those conversations can be had between consultants," Foval explains, “The campaigns and DNC cannot go near [Democratic super PAC] Priorities [USA], but I guaran-damn-tee you that the people who run the Super PACs all talk to each other and we and a few other people are the hubs of that communication.”

One event specifically mentioned by the Democratic operatives to have been 'bird-dogged' was the September incident in North Carolina where a 69-year-old woman was supposedly assaulted by a Trump supporter. In reality, the woman was "trained" by Foval as part of his operation. “She was one of our activists,” he says.

“I’m saying we have mentally ill people, that we pay to do sh*t, make no mistake,” says Foval in the video. “Over the last twenty years, I’ve paid off a few homeless guys to do some crazy stuff, and I’ve also taken them for dinner, and I’ve also made sure they had a hotel, and a shower. And I put them in a program. Like I’ve done that. But the reality is, a lot of people especially our union guys. A lot of our union guys…they’ll do whatever you want. They’re rock and roll. When I need to get something done in Arkansas, the first guy I call is the head of the AFL-CIO down there, because he will say, ‘What do you need?’ And I will say, I need a guy who will do this, this and this. And they find that guy. And that guy will be like, Hell yeah, let’s do it. It doesn't matter what the friggin' legal and ethics people say, we need to win this m*therf*ck*r," Foval also said.

This is who these people are. THESE people are our enemies, not the people who disagree with us like the women with their profane children on the street corner on Saturday. They are largely just puppets who, like us, get to exercise their First Amendment Rights.

These scumbags who run the Democrat Party and employ people like Foval and Creamer, and not-for-profit groups like Democracy Partners and The Foval Group?

These jackasses, when they get a drink in them, or a pretty girl wants to talk to them, they loosen right up because they are so proud of what they do, they are compelled to brag about it to impress whoever they are talking to, or get them into bed. It says volumes about them, and none of it good.

These people, and the Democrat party as a whole, is a different thing altogether.