Posted on 10/26/2024 3:52:37 AM PDT by GenXPolymath
"The world's largest battery manufacturer, CATL, announced on Thursday a new style of battery destined to create a cleaner, longer-range generation of plug-in hybrid vehicles. The Freevoy Super Hybrid Battery debuts to give PHEVs and extended-range electrics (EREVs) the type of zero-emissions all-electric range that was previously reserved for battery electric vehicles. Freevoy-powered hybrids will travel farther with fewer fueling stops, whether they're relying solely on battery power or tapping into an ICE drive or generator. When battery power and fuel finally do run out, drivers can choose 10-minute battery charging, refueling or both."
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Because you are expecting people to jump on the band wagon.
We are going to be forced to drive these cars rather then the market deciding what we drive.
There will never be the infrastructure to support this.
You think the grid can be expanded? They can’t keep up with it now.
Where is the copper going to come from?
Very similar to covid.
Lies.
If it wasn’t, the government would let the market decide.
If I’m off track let me know.
This all seems like government over each to me.
My model 3 cost $27,000 if I wanted to buy it. On lease it’s $100+ less per month than the $58,000 Volvo it replaced. I never keep a car past 5 years so leases make sense for my use cycle. It’s a two year lease I’ll be getting a 2025 in April next year and it will still be less per month than a new XC60 they stopped making the S60 and turned it into a crossover now. I charge my Tesla off the panels above it so it is saving me $3600 per year in fuel at least. Those panels payed themselves off years ago selling power to ERCOT at peak rates during the day. So much so u double the size of the system as soon as the first batch broke even. The added benefit is at the flip of a switch to be off grid. Plus having 360 miles of range every day the sun is out which is 220+ days in this part of Texas. Dotgov can has and will turn off gas pumps they can never turn off the sun and since I’m grid free at a flip the grid is irrelevant to me. That alone is priceless as a orepper.
I don’t care what you do. I’m happy with my off grid capable system and Tesla that pairs perfectly with it. Y’all do you but thanks for asking. I don’t favor forcing anyone never said that. I am impressed with the rate technology is advancing and happy with the choices available to off grid prepper types.
Do I fear my Tesla going to blow up no it has LFP cells the kind that don’t thermal runaway unless you shoot them or drive a spike through them. Tech is tech I also don’t fear my smartphone charging next to my bed at night or the laptops plural in the living room and office. They all have BMS systems monitoring the charging and should stop if the cells heat up too high.
While this new concept sounds somewhat promising, one must remember there is usually a lot of hype with these new processes & also it is probably a rather complicated setup & thus rather expensive. Many of us can’t afford ANY new vehicle, much less a lot of them that are actually rated particularly troublesome. I drive an old car that appears to be good for several more years, & while it is never completely trouble-free it certainly has less than the usual number of defects that a new EV would probably have.....while costing a lot more money.
Where did your solar system come from?
Are you certain it didn’t incorporate slave labor in its production?
How will they be disposed of?
How is tire wear? Cars produce more pollution through the tires then the engine.
You don’t care what I do and I don’t care what you do.
I do care about government controlling our transportation, child labor, environmental issues.
“plug-in hybrids are very hard on the engine , all the on and off”
Awe jeez not this boomer fud anymore. Start stop systems are in every major vehicle class now. Engines do tens of thousands of start stop cycles now. Modern synthetic lubricants, anti drain back oil filters and fuel injection eliminated the “excess” wear decades ago. Plug in hybrids start the engine to charge for a run cycle of tens of minuets to an hour or more then off till the pack drains again. For a 200+ mile plug in that engine won’t run for weeks if not months at a time that is actually bad as it needs the heat to flash off condensed moisture in the mechanicals. The logic for a long range plug in should have a weekly run period just to keep the metals free from rust and to circulate fresh lubricants into the parts as gravity eventually drains them down. A ICE with start stop at every stop light is doing tens of thousands of start stop cycles well.more than anything a plug in would ever see even with 100 miles or 50 miles of plug in range. Even 50 miles is enough to cover the avg commute of 37 miles round trip per day. Likely a 50 mile plug in engine would only ever run on a three day weekend run somewhere. My Volvo has start stop it has 120,000 miles on it , you can’t turn it off without the Volvo factory link computer it’s not a setting in the center console so it’s always active. It starts and stops at every red light and stop sign. It starts and runs just like new so no there is not increased wear certainly not in a typical 100,000 mile lifespan. I’m gonna sell the Volvo once I have hit 150K I told myself it sunk cost and keep it as my fourth vehicle in the house. Have two trucks for truck things only. One is a diesel the other is a large SUV they tow things and go off road when needed. For everything else the Tesla has taken the lead. I wish Tesla made a truck that is not the ugly Cybertruck just a Ford Ranger sized truck with 4x4 and like 350 range empty. That would be enough to get to a rig and back or a soil sample site with gear. For towing the boat or RV yeah the diesel is the way. RAM is supposed to be coming with a range extended full size with 600+ hp and crazy towing capacity with a Cummins driving the genset like a diesel locomotive. I’ll look into that as soon as it is out. If it can do 100 miles on the pack and then turn on that Cummins it’s a win already.
My panels are from Taiwan our ally, I got them wholesale by the pallet delivered directly.they are 25 year panels with a hail rating.they are also cadmium free and mercury free they use silver solder joints not as cheap as chicom panels but I harvest the rain from under them into cistern. It gets checked once a year with geochem so far the only compounds are from the asphalt shingles under them, metals are under ppm levels. They were installed with subcontractors from a friends roofing company who was doing my rooftop for hail damages at the time anyway so the labor was just an add on. My cousin is an electrician I paid him to legally do the grid tie breaker and panels. The inverters also are Taiwan they have a 15 year warranty.So no slave labor, heavy metals or chicom support exactly the opposite they helped support a free Taiwan and F the chicoms.
As for tires the Volvo and the Model 3 are within one inch of each other in foot print size(length x width) the Volvo is also 200lbs heavier at curb weight it’s a T5 AWD. They both have 18” wheels and both ride on identical P4 Pirelli tires I bought 8 of them so I know they are identical. Given that the Volvo is 200# heavier it will wear them out faster than Tesla. All that engine ,transmissions and 4 wheel drive hardware is heavy vs the light weight RWD motor of the Tesla. Yea the pack has mass bit in the end the Volvo is heavier. Also the.Volvo eats brake pads the Tesla uses regenerative braking and has never needed pads and won’t it almost never goes into mechanical braking you can feel when it does if you really smash the brake pedal. So yeah I fully expect the tires on the Tesla to go more miles before they wear out.
Hybrids seem to be the most logical way to go. Ford and Toyota have decided to go that way, GM has decided to go full EV.
We’ll see what happens...................
Boy.
Thanks for answering some of my questions.
I guess with a 25 year life you won’t be the one who has to worry about disposal.Hopefully they can be recycled.
I guess some people think like that.
I’m glad its working out for you.
When the car falls into salt water dies it burn the ocean down?
I like first person accounts.
900 whrs/kg is an enormous game changer, but I don't see any on the market yet.
I expect to see 1000 whr/kg within a decade.
“Again feel free to pay more out of ideology by all means.”
The particular ideology you’re referring to is that of the Luddite wing of conservatism. They make the Amish look downright progressive.
Question...
- Will any PHEV that use that battery be sold in the US any time soon?
- is CATL a publically traded company or is it owned by BYD?
” Luddite wing of conservatism. “
You don’t know what a Luddite is by making that statement.
I just know EV technology is dumb for many reasons; cost, pollution, solving a problem that doesn’t exist, etc.
As an engineer I know technology for technology sake is dumb. You do not.
Blind adoption of technology is all you practice. That’s retarded.
” Volvo “
That’s comparing one bad decision for a far worse one.
“Luddite - one who is opposed to especially technological change”
Sounds like a perfect description of you.
A hundred plus years ago you’d have been one of these, right?
Interesting. Thanks. I just purchased some EVE 314-330 AH cells for a different purpose. Saw CATL offered but was told that in that marked (storage for home system) the CATLs being sold were not actually first quality. I don’t really know!
101st super battery to be announced in the last 20 years. They get the Federal development funding, close shop and walk away multimillionaires. And course make the obligatory campaign donations to the right people.
The entire exercise is very similar to the types of coverage that we saw with the Covid vaccines. This is not coverage of... in your words “wild next generation technology”... it is hype.
I really enjoy looking over https://newatlas.com/ but this story is not unlike other articles that are currently headlining there.
“Bigger, bolder ebike conversion kit boosts range by up to six times”
“”Best instant camera on Earth” shows style evolution from its Cold War roots”
“Miracle powder sucks CO2 out of the air ‘like nothing else out there”
This article sounds like the same type of hype we have been reading about “new and revolutionary” battery technologies for the past ten to twenty years. I was an early adopter of lithium based rechargeable batteries back when you basically had to order them from China yourself if you wanted to use them in products such as flashlights.
Incremental improvements have been made since that time period as one would expect, but even with the $100s of Billions being spent on various forms of lithium based rechargeable batteries nothing revolutionary has taken place that I can recall. Yet, we have countless examples of articles such as this piece from New Atlas claiming that this “new battery type” is going to create a new generation of hybrid vehicles.
Somehow it reminds one a great deal of the types of hyped big media articles on Covid vaccines. That is the connection. People have become better at differentiating hype from actual news.
“What does covid have to do with the world’s largest and leading electric drivetrain maker releasing to the wild next generation technology? I’m not making the connection?”
Clearly, he is referring to your all too apparent enthusiasm for government mandated change of the energy and transportation sector. If you are too dense to see this, perhaps you are not the “polymath’ you claim yourself to be.
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