Posted on 10/26/2024 3:52:37 AM PDT by GenXPolymath
"The world's largest battery manufacturer, CATL, announced on Thursday a new style of battery destined to create a cleaner, longer-range generation of plug-in hybrid vehicles. The Freevoy Super Hybrid Battery debuts to give PHEVs and extended-range electrics (EREVs) the type of zero-emissions all-electric range that was previously reserved for battery electric vehicles. Freevoy-powered hybrids will travel farther with fewer fueling stops, whether they're relying solely on battery power or tapping into an ICE drive or generator. When battery power and fuel finally do run out, drivers can choose 10-minute battery charging, refueling or both."
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The key point here is look at the 4C charge rates, range long enough to cover even the top one half of one percent of daily commutes at 200 miles a day round trip. If they use BYD's internal combustion generator as the extender that is the most efficient ICE in commercial production recently field driven in a 5 passenger sedan 2.2L/100km that's 108mpg US not on a test track but around a Chinese City at rush hour and afternoon traffic.
CATL also is using sodium ion cells for their low and high temp ranges use down to minus 40, charge down to minus 30 even. Low temperature is what sodium ion excel at vs NMC or even LFP cells. At minus 40 C and F are the same temps and very few places ever get that cold. I would never live anywhere that gets to sub zero let alone 20 or 30 below on a regular basis. No way no how I'll take 105 degree summers with the AC ripping over that dumb stuff any day.
This is a mid range full EV with fast charge 4C rates from a supercharger and a gasoline back up generator for those days that someone needs to go 250+ miles in a day. For most Americans that's less than 4 times per year. Price these in the 25-30K range and they will sell out.
Can it launch a missile 1500 miles on a single charge?
I would like to see an independent operator test it.
BYD vehicles are for sale in the UK and Europe.
Good. Should get a review fairly soon then.
Gee whiz, I’m so excited over this I’m going to run out and get a couple more covid boosters.
Peace, brother.
When one discovers that the batteries from EV’s burn at 2000 degrees or more, and the chance of said batteries catching fire during recharge is any more than zero percent, not in my home.
You can watch the video of the tests drive done by a journalist in normal traffic conditions. With a large pack size you run the engine at peak efficiency only to charge the pack and then shut it down. The pack does all the peaks and valleys of demand. This is how diesel locomotive work and they are the most efficient land vehicles exactly because of the electric drive train. Diesel locomotives just don’t have a pack for the regenerative braking or peak shedding. Some do now and it doubles those locomotives fuel efficiency.
Here is a link to the actual video of the drive. I leased a Prius for 6 months it would do 90 mpg over ten mile runs in gridlock and 75+ mpg in typical suburban and urban use over 20 mile trips. So it’s not a stretch to see 100+ with a dedicated genset running at its peak efficiency point. They did drain the pack to zero first so it’s all genset to pack to wheels.
I see electric vehicles for people who take baths using a wet Q-tip thinking they are saving the planet from a lack of water.
Yes, dedicated ICE to charge batteries, with the electric motors used for propulsion, is very efficient.
Be nice to know how efficient the ICE powerplant is. If it is above 40% efficiency, it may be above the efficiency of central electric generation + grid losses.
What does covid have to do with the world’s largest and leading electric drivetrain maker releasing to the wild next generation technology? I’m not making the connection?
Having a vehicle that can use grid power at a couple of cents per mile vs gasoline in the 14 to 20 cents per mile range for every trip one makes except for one or two trips per year is money in the bank. A 30K 5 pass sedan with specs like this would sell out in the USA. The 4C charge is just a bonus it’s the 200+ mile range before going to the gas extender that matters. Most if not all Americans drive under 40 miles per day so really a 100 mile plug in would cover 99% of all the miles driven per year. It arguably makes more sense to have a rental genset that is modular you rent it for the long weekend road trip or the two week annual time off from being a wage slave and a 9-5 commute 5 days a week. Which is 37 miles or under for 96% of all Americans per the DOT who keeps track of that.
I see my Tesla costing me 2 cents per mile which is equal to 56 cents per gallon gasoline at the 28 mpg the ICE luxury car that sits next to it gets in hwy use less in the city. But hey do you.
That Tesla is also less per month than the Volvo was need so from mile one the Tesla cost less in capital. Hey if people want to pay more that’s on them. I see this CATL as a double win it has nearly the range of a full EV so nearly every trip is ultra cheap electrons vs $3.28 per gallon fuel. Then for the long trips to say New Orleans it’s 5 or so gallons of fuel each way once the pack runs out vs 20 gallons each way in the Volvo. Again feel free to pay more out of ideology by all means.
You overpaid for your Tesla in the first place, negating any savings. The environmental pollution of a Tesla, alone, negates that too as the cleanup bills are coming.
I paid $22,500 for a Toyota Corolla that gets 40mpg. My gas is free compared to the price you’d pay for a Tesla.
Drivelous BS.
I see you’re still posting for attention.
Sodium ion don’t burn the sodium is in salt or ion form. Does table salt burn? Lithium ions do depending on chemistry. LFP don’t burn if they use the right electrolytes. NMC can be inhibited LG just commercialized their version of inhibitor. If you have a smartphone, tablet or laptop you have the same NMC cells that could burst into flames at anytime as well. They don’t usually.
https://www.lgchem.com/company/information-center/press-release/news-detail-9535?lang=en_GLOBAL
BYD already inhibits their Bladepack it can pass the steel spike test without flames or flammable vapor. Your smartphone,tablet or laptop would burst onto flames instantly with a nail through it.
https://en.byd.com/news/byds-new-blade-battery-set-to-redefine-ev-safety-standards/
The future is electric drivetrains, how they get the 800V electrons is up for debate. Be that in a series hybrid like this CATL or BYD. Be it with fuel cells or some form of linear alternator, or gas turbine.
As higher energy density cells come to market purely electron to election makes sense for even 800 mile range vehicles. 600 is possible today with model S sized vehicles and that’s at 390wh/kg some of the high density cells are hitting 900wh/kg nearly triple the capacity for a given sized pack and weight.
The smart thing to do is have a pack that covers 99% of driving for most people and have a means to cover the edge case 1% with either a on board genset or fuel cells or have something modular and rentable.
A standard 400-800V interface would make that module cross platform it is after all just 400 or 800 volts DC. Have a standard of.volume and interface plug so anyone could make a modular design for the 1% or less per year someone would actually need to go farther than a couple hundred miles in a day before coming home.
plug-in hybrids are very hard on the engine , all the on and off
It’s a lease I turn it in when I’m tired of it and it’s over a hundred less per month than my Volvo was. So no I didn’t over pay anything nor will there be an clean up cost Tesla recycles their packs into powerwalls I have two of those as well when those finally die they will be send back to Tesla to be recycled into new cells.
One of the founders of Tesla owns the recycling company Tesla uses for its end of life packs. Accept it some people just made smart economic choices. I didn’t qualify for any tax breaks I make way too much to and you don’t get them on a lease anyway. I see 2 cents per mile vs 14 and FSD vs manual cruise control. Over $100 less per month and I can sit all day long with the AC ripping and never worry about carbon monoxide poisoning due to exhaust of an idling ICE. I use my Tesla as a mobile office quite often, with Starlink Mini on the back dash no matter where it’s 5G access. Even in Texas heat it uses a few percent per hour to stay at 72 in the cab parked in camping mode.
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