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Whatever decision Mr. Biden takes (or avoids taking) in his last weeks in office will create a reality that the next president will have to deal with.

True. WW III would be hard for Trump to undo.

1 posted on 10/25/2024 11:40:48 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

You know what the reptilian neocons on this forum want.


2 posted on 10/25/2024 11:44:47 AM PDT by wildcard_redneck (He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither.f)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

What kind of evil would you have to be to bring about the deaths of thousands — even tens of thousands — of people simply because you despise one other person?

Related: what kind of evil are you to seriously contemplate that line of thinking??


3 posted on 10/25/2024 11:44:51 AM PDT by alancarp (George Orwell was an optimist.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Does anyone on this forum think that China will stay on the sidelines in an Eurasian war? I don’t.


4 posted on 10/25/2024 11:46:19 AM PDT by wildcard_redneck (He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither.f)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum; thinden; RitaOK

” throwing — everything he has at Ukraine?” Poland’s foreign minister, Radoslaw Sikorski “

Mr. Sikorski would do well to remember that Russia has a very different definition of war against hostile nations.
When bombing cities, Russia sees little need of “missing” non-combatants after telling the same to leave the theater.
Warsaw is on range of Russian missiles.

IIRC, Russia has not declared “war” on Ukraine.
Theirs is a military mission to liberate Russians in (Nazi-held) Donbas.


5 posted on 10/25/2024 11:50:40 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (When I say "We" I speak of, -not for-, "We the People")
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Not to be depressing and morbid — but it’s really starting to feel like all the wheels are coming off of everything.

Economically (China), militarily (Ukraine, Iran), politically (election fraud), criminally (illegal immigrants,courts, Attorney Generals, etc), morally (transgenders). The list could go on.

I’m fairly old. I’ve been around. I’ve never seen anything like this. I’ve heard it called a metacrisis or a polycrisis — everything breaks all at once.

Almost everyone I know if in a state of constant anxiety with shaky mental health (often because they think the “other” side might win the election). Everyone seems on edge.

And, in what I think is a related matter, I know of at least 3 YouTube channels that have just gone on hiatus because the content creators are having breakdowns of one sort or another. Too stressed by the world.

I think the world is about to change in a huge way. I’m hoping it’s because Jesus is coming back any day. But it may just be a civilizational collapse. WWIII wouldn’t help.


6 posted on 10/25/2024 11:57:38 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (My decisions about people are based almost entirely on skin color. I learned this from Democrats.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Biden has about a week to do this.

Don’t let irrelevant and idiotic New York Times get you all wee-weed up.


7 posted on 10/25/2024 11:58:57 AM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

It would be just like petty, self centered, mean as a snake Joe Biden to stroll away from the White House, leaving a big pile of Poo (for Trump to deal with) right in the threshold of the front entrance. Passive rebellion of the impotent.


8 posted on 10/25/2024 11:59:00 AM PDT by lee martell
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

WW III would be hard for Trump to undo.

Nobody wants it no winners all life takes a pause.


9 posted on 10/25/2024 12:02:55 PM PDT by Vaduz
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
There's a lot of stuff Joe could do in the three months he has left. Not just Ukraine, but Gaza, Taiwan, Moldova...

And not just international. He could loose a string of EO's or "regulations" that could hamstring the economy. Or open the treasury and spark our return to the runaway inflation that finally bankrupts us. IOW, He could go scorched earth nationally, too.

Remember, Joe, these last few months could define how you are recorded in the history books - spiteful and partisan or statesmanlike. Your own party probably wants you to do it, but they don't care how you are remembered. Do you?

16 posted on 10/25/2024 12:45:35 PM PDT by ZOOKER
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

WWIII? Russia can’t even take Ukraine in 3 years... They don’t have enough of anything to fight such a war. China would not waste its troops or anything on Russia. They would take part of eastern Russia if Russia gets weak enough.


21 posted on 10/25/2024 1:17:19 PM PDT by POGO163
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

We have escalated things to the limit.

Trying to take things any further in order to salvage our war effort in Ukraine will lead to a greater regional war or even possibly a nuclear exchange.

Our latest great idea, providing Ukraine deep strike capabilities, is the perfect example. Of course, had we done this, Russia would have retaliated by firing back into central and Western Europe.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us-close-agreeing-long-range-missiles-ukraine-delivery-take-months-2024-09-03/ (Idiots)

How much are we willing to pay to save Ukraine and I’m not talking about more money and military hardware as in the past? Are we willing to cause a major war with Russia and pay in blood, or even cause a nuclear exchange and end our own nation? What is required to “maybe” tip the balance in our favor regards Ukraine would require risking that.

We gambled with NATO East expansion and lost.

We should have cut our losses as soon as this happened. That would have been the prudent thing to do. But like a gambler at a casino that is losing money, people often get into the mentality of wanting to win their money back, and they can’t let it go.

The concept of “cutting ones losses” is often mistakenly seen as appeasement or weakness. It’s not. It’s just minimizing the damage.

When this war ends, Ukraine will lose a lot of land (~16+%), a major industrial area, the core of their steel industry and a major port city. They will not be in NATO and even their chances for EU membership (well in reach before the war) will have vaporized before their eyes. EU membership is just talk, no one wants such a liability in the union, Ukraine at this point can’t meet the most basic requirements. Ukraine’s infrastructure will be heavily damaged, their economy destroyed (-37% GDP & massive debt) and the demographics are record breaking bad (refugees that left, low birth rate, dead and crippled).

This should have never happened: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukrainian-president-zelenskiy-holding-talks-with-biden-adviser-says-2021-12-09/ (NATO East expansion into Ukraine)

And when we did push it to the point where it caused a war, it should have been settled right away: Istanbul deal, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_negotiations_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine

Throwing good money after bad: https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/to-throw-good-money-after-bad

“If we just gamble with even higher stakes and play one more game, maybe then we’ll turn things around in our favor!” If someone who had just lost their @ss in a casino tells you this, what what you think about their decision making?

Stop!!!


24 posted on 10/26/2024 9:46:53 PM PDT by Red6
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