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A Supreme Court case in Hawaii could raise gas costs for us all (only 6.27 years left)
NY Post ^ | 10/12/24 | Jordan McGillis

Posted on 10/12/2024 4:39:31 PM PDT by Libloather

Aloha spirit be damned, the Hawaii Supreme Court has deemed the oil industry unwelcome in the state.

In a ruling late last year, the court affirmed that the city of Honolulu could file a lawsuit alleging that Sunoco, Exxon, ConocoPhillips, and an assortment of other companies have caused it injury via their products’ greenhouse gas emissions.

Now it may be up to the US Supreme Court to set the matter straight: Is climate change an area of special federal interest or can states give Big Oil the boot? If the latter, the outcome from 50 new sets of legal hoops is inevitably higher energy prices for all Americans.

Honolulu’s core claim is that the oil companies’ “efforts between 1965 and the present to deceive about the consequences of the normal use of their fossil fuel products” constitute tortious conduct.”

The chain of reasoning is that Sunoco et al have marketed and sold products that, when combusted, emit carbon dioxide and other gasses, exacerbating the greenhouse effect, warming the planet, melting glaciers, and causing sea levels to rise.

That rising water, the argument goes, has caused “historical, projected, and committed disruptions to the environment — and consequent injuries to the City.”

Honolulu’s claim underscores how difficult climate damage attribution really is. Yes, emissions add incrementally to sea level rise. But, no, we cannot attribute with confidence a portion of the cost of managing rising water to particular companies.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Conspiracy; History; Science
KEYWORDS: court; gas; hawaii; supreme
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No more limo petrol? Does the Oprah get gas?
1 posted on 10/12/2024 4:39:31 PM PDT by Libloather
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To: Libloather

No more oil products for Hawaii. I wonder how quickly they would drop the lawsuit. 🤡


2 posted on 10/12/2024 4:41:16 PM PDT by TheDon (Resist the usurpers! Remember the J6 political prisoners!)
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To: Libloather

Hawaii should show the way and immediately ban oil, gas, natural gas, all products made from these hydrocarbons, including any electricity made from them, and any so-called “clean” energy items made from them like solar panels and batteries.


3 posted on 10/12/2024 4:43:35 PM PDT by Tell It Right (1 Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: Libloather

No more Cruise Ships or Planes


4 posted on 10/12/2024 4:45:41 PM PDT by butlerweave
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To: Libloather

What about the benefits of fossil fuels?

Here’s a quick back-of-the-envelope calculation...
125 years of FF use.
Average life expectancy rose by 25, maybe 30 years because of technology using FF.
Average of 125 million Americans during that 125 years.

125 * 25 * 125,000,000 = 390,625,000,000 person-years of happy, productive life that would not have happened before FF.

That is almost 400 BILLION person-years of life people were blessed with by using FF.

There’s NO calculation that shows any sort of benefit like that deriving from stopping FF use.


5 posted on 10/12/2024 4:46:09 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (It should be illegal to be here illegally. It should be a crime to be committing crimes in the USA.)
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To: Libloather

My great nephew saw the snow in nyc last year that he was never supposed to see, according to algore:)


6 posted on 10/12/2024 4:46:38 PM PDT by dp0622 (Tried a coup, a fake tax story, tramp slander, Russia nonsense, impeachment and a virus. They lost.)
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To: dp0622; Libloather; All

Flashback 2000: ‘Snowfalls are now just a thing of the past’ – ‘Children just aren’t going to know what snow is’ – UK Independent

https://www.climatedepot.com/2018/01/04/flashback-2000-snowfalls-are-now-just-a-thing-of-the-past-children-just-arent-going-to-know-what-snow-is-uk-independent/


7 posted on 10/12/2024 4:53:12 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire, or both.)
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To: Libloather

When global warming goes to court it loses with the facts.

This is another step on the way of killing global warming.


8 posted on 10/12/2024 4:55:13 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: Libloather

This is an ideal opportunity! The oil companies, with new justification, should band together to neglect the island their products and services. This will send a message that will echo for decades.


9 posted on 10/12/2024 4:55:59 PM PDT by LittleBillyInfidel (This tagline has been formatted to fit the screen. Some content has been edited.)
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To: Libloather

Hawa-eeee should entirely embrace wind and solar. No gas cars allowed by the end of 2025. IF they really care, using petrol power to and from should also be forbidden. Sailing ships only.


10 posted on 10/12/2024 5:00:38 PM PDT by rktman (Destroy America from within ? Check! WTH? Enlisted USN 1967 to end up with this💩? 🚫💉! 🇮🇱👍!)
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To: TheDon

Only all natural wooden surfboards harvested in an eco friendly replenishing way. No plastics, including credit cards, for Hawaii. No cellphones, satellite dishes, or bikinis made of synthetic materials. Move the Navy out of Pearl, and stop all ships that burn diesel or bunker fuel from approaching the islands. Sorry girls no more plastic surgery.
No more planes landing or taking off. And forget exports, there is now way to ship it, except clipper ship. Just a dumb democrat way to get money in the party slush fund.


11 posted on 10/12/2024 5:01:45 PM PDT by Waverunner
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To: Libloather

“Honolulu’s core claim is that the oil companies’ “efforts between 1965 and the present...”


Why start with 1965? Why not start with the beginning of oil companies in Hawaii?


12 posted on 10/12/2024 5:07:42 PM PDT by teacherwoes (Our Lady of China, pray for us)
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To: Libloather

If oil companies are held liable because their products produce CO2 when consumed, then why wouldn’t food companies also be held liable?


13 posted on 10/12/2024 5:21:29 PM PDT by cockroach_magoo (No one is above the law, but some are more above the law than others.)
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To: Libloather

The day they file is the last day I’d deliver any products to the state


14 posted on 10/12/2024 5:23:26 PM PDT by cableguymn (They don't want peace they want skeletons )
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To: cockroach_magoo

Next up: humans.


15 posted on 10/12/2024 5:25:14 PM PDT by Libloather (Why do climate change hoax deniers live in mansions on the beach?)
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To: TheDon

I suspect pretty quickly.


16 posted on 10/12/2024 5:25:21 PM PDT by No name given ( Anonymous is who you’ll know me as)
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To: Libloather

Waters have been rising for eons.


17 posted on 10/12/2024 5:33:38 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Kamala Harris loves to give wet Willys)
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To: Libloather

I live on the big island of Hawaii. Have lived here 24 years now.
I get tired of the rest of the country thinking
Honolulu is Hawaii. Honolulu is a Democrat hornets nest.
It is NOT Hawaii!
You want to get even? Cut off supplies to Honolulu!
Most of my fuel comes from San Diego or B.C. Canada direct.
You could nuke Honolulu into oblivion and we would do just fine. Actually without Honolulu our lives would improve!


18 posted on 10/12/2024 5:44:34 PM PDT by rellic (no such thing as a moderate Moslem or Democrat )
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To: Libloather

Just cut them off from all petroleum products, watch what happens


19 posted on 10/12/2024 6:09:14 PM PDT by eyeamok
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To: rellic

Most of the low-info types think Waikiki beach IS Hawaii.

Fake news supports that ignorance.
The thought that there are other islands or non-democrats in Hawaii causes cognitive dissonance.


20 posted on 10/12/2024 6:48:40 PM PDT by doorgunner69 (I don't know what he said at the end of that sentence. i don't think he knows what he said either)
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