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Octopuses work together with fish to hunt—and the way they share decisions is surprisingly complex
Phys.Org ^ | September 30, 2024 | Culum Brown

Posted on 09/29/2024 7:54:38 PM PDT by Red Badger

A new study published in Nature Ecology & Evolution lifts the veil on what happens when octopuses and fish hunt together. As it turns out, this cross-species relationship is more complex than anyone expected.

Animals of the same species often cooperate—work together to reach some kind of goal. But it's relatively rare to find cooperation between individuals from different species.

A classic example you'll be familiar with is the close relationship between dogs and humans, whether in the context of herding sheep or hunting. In these situations, the dog and the human work together to achieve a goal.

That's mammals. But underwater species also sometimes cooperate. A nice example is the joint hunting behavior of moray eels and grouper. The grouper approaches the moray and signals that it wishes to hunt. The eel responds in kind, and off they go.

During these hunting forays, the grouper uses signals to indicate where prey may be hidden in the coral matrix. It's a synergy made in heaven: the eel can scare the prey fish from hiding places among the coral, while the grouper patrols over the top. There is literally no place for prey to hide.

For the eels and grouper, the chances of catching their dinner are greatly improved when hunting together compared to hunting on their own.

Who's in charge here?

While researchers have described these behaviors before, one question remains unanswered. Who, exactly, is in charge of these cross-species interactions?

Who decides what they are going to do, where and when? Are the different players "democratic," in that they come to some form of compromise, or does one species take the lead and the other simply follows (that is, they are "despotic")?

In an international collaboration, biologist Eduardo Sampaio and colleagues have investigated cross-species interactions between the usually solitary day octopus (Octopus cyanea) and several fish species, such as goatfish and groupers.

The fish and the octopus share a common goal—to increase their hunting efficiency. The traditional view of octopus-fish hunting groups assumed that the octopus is the producer, and the fish simply follow along and opportunistically pick up the scraps.

With its long, flexible arms, the octopus explores all the nooks and crannies of the hunting ground, flushing out prey the fish can then take advantage of. In this scenario, the octopus would be solely in charge of decisions and the fish just follow (that is, it's an exploitative, despotic relationship).

However, when researchers took a closer look, it appeared perhaps this relationship is not as simplistic as previously believed. But without fine-scale analysis providing hard evidence, it is difficult to work out the precise details of how this cooperation works.

What did the new study find?

Using sophisticated behavioral analyses of 3D videos captured from 120 hours of diving, Sampaio and team found that each partner in the interaction plays a specific role. There was, in fact, no true leader—they are democratic.

The fish were responsible for exploring the environment and deciding where to move, while the octopus would decide if and when to move. Interestingly, controlled experiments showed the octopuses were guided by social information provided by the fishes.

When partnered with blue goatfish, the octopus foraging tactics where more focused and efficient. When partnered with blacktip groupers, they were less so. So, the nature of the hunting relationship varied depending on who's involved.

The researchers concluded that, overall, success rates for capturing prey were higher for the octopus when foraging with fishy partners.

The details revealed by this study suggest this relationship is far more sophisticated than other cross-species hunting associations examined to date.

Despite the huge evolutionary gap between these animals (the equivalent of about 550 million years), both fish and octopus show clear signs of social competence and advanced cognition.

More information:

Eduardo Sampaio et al, Multidimensional social influence drives leadership and composition-dependent success in octopus–fish hunting groups, Nature Ecology & Evolution (2024).

DOI: 10.1038/s41559-024-02525-2

Journal information: Nature Ecology & Evolution

Provided by The Conversation


TOPICS: Outdoors; Pets/Animals; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: cephalopod; cephalopoda; cooperation; eels; fish; goatfish; grouper; hunting; idlike2beunderthesea; inanoctopusgarden; intelligence; mollusca; mollusk; moreyeels; ocean; octopus; wildlife
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To: Red Badger
"Octopuses are extremely intelligent................ "

Octopus have a relatively large brain mass but it's divided up between nine sub-brains (actually just clumps of neurons). Each of the eight arms (not legs and not tentacles) has its own independent sub-brain. The eight "arm brains" make up 2/3rd of the total brain mass.

The central "brain" will send a command to an arm and then turn its attention to other matters while the arm performs the task independently. Like tell the arm, "pick up that clam shell," then while the arm is doing that, the main brain focuses on the stingray that looks like it might be trying to sneak up on it. And the arm will complete the task without any further input from the central brain.

The arms need all that brain power because not only do they act independently, it is the most flexible, most intricately-controllable limb in the animal kingdom. About a thousand times more intricate than an elephant's trunk (which also has not bones). Plus, the arm's suckers are incredibly powerful and complex sensory organs. They have a sense of touch that's dozens of times more sensitive than a human, plus the suckers can smell and taste. And a single arm can have upwards of 300 suckers. The octopus can run its arm down into a hole it can't see into in search of food, and by feeling around tell everything it needs to know about what it discovers, sight-unseen.

I've been on scuba dives with people who found a "playful" octopus that tolerated the diver's presence and even felt of them for some time. Back on the dive boat they're all giddy because the octopus was being friendly with them. I love the look on their face when I tell them, "No, it wasn't making friends, it was tasting you, to find out if you'd be worth killing and eating."

They also can shed an arm as a defensive measure and the discarded arm will continue wriggling to distract the predator. And the sacrificial arm grows back in two or three months.

They're far the most intelligent invertebrate. They can recognize and remember individual humans to the extent of "picking on" people they don't like. A researcher kept a captive octopus in his home and hung a bell over the tank and dropped the bell cord into the water. The octopus learned to use the bell to summon a companion when it wanted attention.

They display problem solving, tool use (but as yet haven't been observed making tools), planning for future eventualities, and they use deception as a hunting tactic.

Possibly the most amazing part is that most octopus only live about two years. The Giant Pacific octopus commonly will live four but most of the rest are only good for two.

So how do they get to be so smart so fast?

21 posted on 09/29/2024 9:07:02 PM PDT by Paal Gulli
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To: changeitback440
" it’s not octopi?"

No, it IS NOT. We take "octopus" from the Greek "oktopus." Using the "I" ending to make plurals is a Latin thing. You don't use Latin's rules of pluralization to make plurals of a Greek noun.

22 posted on 09/29/2024 9:07:44 PM PDT by Paal Gulli
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To: Right Brother

:)


23 posted on 09/29/2024 9:09:15 PM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the Days of Lot; They did Eat, They Drank, They Bought, They Sold ......)
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To: griffin

A typical octopus is smarter than a typical democrat voter.

They are self sufficient.
They can feed themselves.
They can build their own shelter.


24 posted on 09/29/2024 9:09:54 PM PDT by Texas resident (Que Mala= Bad Juju.)
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To: Texas resident

And they’re far cooler too.


25 posted on 09/29/2024 9:12:02 PM PDT by No name given ( Anonymous is who you’ll know me as)
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To: Red Badger

bttt


26 posted on 09/29/2024 9:18:15 PM PDT by chiller (Davey Crockett said: "Be sure you're right. Then go ahead'. I'll go ahead.)
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To: Red Badger

The single most astonishing thing I know about octopuses has to do with their changing color. They have chromatophores in their skin that contain the colors black, brown, orange, red and yellow. They can make their skin appear to be any of those colors, or any color that can be made from a combination of those colors. About the only color they can’t do is blue, but they have tricks to get around that limitation.

And they can change colors not only to camouflage themselves to hide in their environment, they’ll also change colors and patterns that mimic one predator in the hope of scaring off another predator of a different sort.

But that’s not the most astonishing bit. The most astonishing bit is ... octopus are completely colorblind.

Not “color-deficient,” color BLIND. They can see no color whatsoever. All they see is black, white, and shades of gray.

So how it is they even understand a need to change color, much less recognize what colors (plural) they need to change to to fit their purpose??????


27 posted on 09/29/2024 9:21:37 PM PDT by Paal Gulli
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To: SaveFerris

I like that one.......... oh, and save the platipi!


28 posted on 09/29/2024 9:28:19 PM PDT by changeitback440
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To: Red Badger

All of this is totally new to me and I love it! What a GREAT thread. Again.

Sea Creatures - Joseph Blanchard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQZME_dpC_s


29 posted on 09/29/2024 9:30:36 PM PDT by mairdie (Trump (I Will Win) - Pavarotti's Nessun Dorma https://youtu.be/MigUKGKr-nQ)
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To: changeitback440

Being Greek and not Latin, the plural is octopodes.


30 posted on 09/29/2024 9:31:39 PM PDT by Publius
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To: changeitback440
oh, and save the platipi!


31 posted on 09/29/2024 9:33:16 PM PDT by Allegra
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To: Paal Gulli

There’s a Kamala joke in there somewhere


32 posted on 09/29/2024 9:46:30 PM PDT by griffin (When you have to shoot, SHOOT; don't talk. -Tuco)
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To: Paal Gulli

Wow. Amazing. Thanks!


33 posted on 09/29/2024 9:51:17 PM PDT by griffin (When you have to shoot, SHOOT; don't talk. -Tuco)
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To: Paal Gulli

“How do the colorblind octopus know the significance of these colors they change into?”

My guess is the colorblind octopus can feel the vibrations of specific colors and tones. They observe how the animals in their environment react to these particular changes under certain conditions, so they utilize the affect of those unexplained vibrations in ways to confuse, mask and deceive.I have heard blind people describe the feelings of certain colors. The heat or motion of such.


34 posted on 09/29/2024 9:52:22 PM PDT by lee martell
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To: Red Badger

35 posted on 09/29/2024 9:57:39 PM PDT by Larry Lucido (Donate! Don't just post clickbait!)
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To: changeitback440
it’s not octopi?

It was, until the people who knew any Latin at all gave up.

36 posted on 09/29/2024 10:14:57 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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To: daniel1212

I bet he’s really pissed, too.


37 posted on 09/29/2024 10:15:17 PM PDT by PLMerite ("They say that we were Cold Warriors. Yes, and a bloody good show, too. 😁 " - Robert Conquest )
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To: Paal Gulli

The definition of “invertebrate” is not an animal that lacks bones, but lacks a vertebral column. Sharks and rays have no bones and are vertebrates; their “bones” are skeletons of cartilage.


38 posted on 09/29/2024 10:31:03 PM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: Red Badger

39 posted on 09/29/2024 10:36:32 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire, or both.)
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To: Paal Gulli; changeitback440

Actually, “octopus” is a word in Latin, albeit a loanword of sorts. Properly in Greek it would be “októpous” and thus the plural form would be “oktṓpodes” (which is the Latin plural); however, the Greeks called the animal “polypous”. The word “octopi” came from the problematic phenomenon of hypercorrection.


40 posted on 09/29/2024 10:38:01 PM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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