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Opinion: Former National Security Advisor H.R. McMaster adds to UFO speculation
The Hill/MSN.com ^ | marik von rennenkampff

Posted on 09/13/2024 7:53:34 AM PDT by RoosterRedux

Former National Security Advisor and retired Army Lt. Gen. H.R. McMaster became the latest official to make eyebrow-raising comments about UFOs, now formally rebranded as “unidentified anomalous phenomena” or UAP.

Asked about UAP during a Sept. 6 appearance on “Real Time with Bill Maher,” McMaster stated that “there are phenomena that have been witnessed by multiple people that are just inexplicable by any kind of science available to us.”

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Over a decade after they were first formally reported, naval aviators’ daily observations of UAP exhibiting amazing flight characteristics off the East Coast remain officially unexplained.

John Ratcliffe, director of national intelligence under former President Trump, injected fascinating context into recent military encounters with the UFO phenomenon. In a 2021 interview, Ratcliffe stated that UAP “have been picked up by satellite imagery [and] frankly engage in actions that are difficult to explain, movements that are hard to replicate, that we don’t have the technology for.”

U.S. intelligence analysts, Ratcliffe continued, have “high confidence” that foreign adversaries such as China or Russia were not behind one of the most extraordinary, best-documented UAP incidents.

Alarmingly, Ratcliffe stated that UAP exhibit “technologies that we don’t have and, frankly, that we are not capable of defending against.”

(Excerpt) Read more at msn.com ...


TOPICS: Military/Veterans; UFO's
KEYWORDS: billmaher; fringe; hrmcmaster; johnratcliffe; marikvonrennenkampff; ohsomysteriouso; thehill; theshill; uap; ufo; ufos
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To: RoosterRedux
He might have been downright peevish with those fallen angels.;-)

Yes, I think He was, so He tossed the offending ones into Tartarus.
One thing I can’t figure out, is once they left their own habitations, could they go back?

41 posted on 09/13/2024 10:15:16 AM PDT by Mark17 (Retired USAF air traffic controller. Father of USAF pilot. Both bitten by the aviation bug)
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To: RoosterRedux

For at least 50 years I have been hearing the same BS. The government knows all about UFOs and they’re getting ready to release bombshell evidence. Believed it when I was young, but I’m so over it now.


42 posted on 09/13/2024 10:23:48 AM PDT by D_Idaho ("For we wrestle not against flesh and blood...")
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To: who_would_fardels_bear
Nope, time machines aren't necessary.

Every person is responsible for themself and their response to how God reveals himself to them. Even those who never heard of Jesus. Paul explains it in Romans 21, starting in verse 19.

They know the truth about God because he has made it obvious to them. For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and the sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities – his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God.

Those of us that get to know Jesus get the full gospel message. We're very fortunate to have his and his disciples' words as a guide for life. Our acceptance/rejection of Jesus and his message will determine our eternity.

Those that never heard of Jesus won't be judged by God like we are. But they do have general revelation of God from nature, their conscience, innate reasoning capability, and awareness of morality. How they respond to God based on that general revelation will determine their eternity.

43 posted on 09/13/2024 10:27:40 AM PDT by vrwc1
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To: wildcard_redneck
Please show me the verse in the Bible that says humans are alone in the vast universe I don't believe that was mentioned. I certainly do not subscribed to that belief.
44 posted on 09/13/2024 10:32:25 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: wildcard_redneck
Please show me the verse in the Bible that says humans are alone in the vast universe

I don't believe that was mentioned. I certainly do not subscribed to that belief.

45 posted on 09/13/2024 10:32:53 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: RoosterRedux

YEP! Knew they’d bring out some distractive nonsense, and with no less than King Turd himself.


46 posted on 09/13/2024 10:35:57 AM PDT by larrytown (A Cadet will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do. Then they graduate...)
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To: D_Idaho

“The government knows all about UFOs and they’re getting ready to release bombshell evidence.”

“The government” has all kinds of competing factions.

In addition 99.9% of government employees know less about the subject than diligent civilian researchers.

Folks like Richard Dolan and Jacques Vallee have better information on the subject than US presidents imho. Other researchers with excellent information include folks like Ryan Woods or Michael Schratt.

You can’t “disclose” what you don’t know.


I will give one simple example.

When Lu Elizondo started whistleblowing the Pentagon spokesperson said he did not work on any UFO programs.

The spokesperson had not been briefed on the top secret program—so they were not lying.

They were just out of the loop.

Civilian researchers are not bound by secrecy agreements and compartmentalization. They have a big advantage.


47 posted on 09/13/2024 10:37:52 AM PDT by cgbg ("Our democracy" = Their Kleptocracy)
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To: D_Idaho

Anyone who wants their own personal “disclosure” just needs to join the US Navy.

UFOs buzz around Navy ships every day these days in the open ocean.

The number of reports is ridiculously large.

Navy folks file reports (including all kinds of sensor data) which are automatically declared “Top Secret”.

This kind of secrecy bubble is going to burst sooner or later.

The “national security” excuse is getting very old—and very silly.


48 posted on 09/13/2024 10:51:09 AM PDT by cgbg ("Our democracy" = Their Kleptocracy)
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To: ABStrauss

This latest flying saucer craze started with the Navy tic tac thing at the beginning of the covid lockdown. What’s more likely?
1) That flying saucers are being chased around and there is a huge government conspiracy to hide the Martians from us?

Or 2) that at the exact moment we face economic disaster with the largest debt in all of human history, stolen elections, crack downs on free speech, and the brink of world war... that the Government is pushing a handy distraction?

As for you believing in Christ, consider this... the flying saucer worship has exploded as Christianity has been attacked, assailed and reduced in every way possible by the DC occupation government. Religion waning has left a void in people that the government can exploit with neopaganism.


49 posted on 09/13/2024 11:10:12 AM PDT by DesertRhino (2016 Star Wars, 2020 The Empire Strikes Back, 2024... RETURN OF THE JEDI. )
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To: cgbg
I think the people who come on these threads and say that the UFO issue hasn't changed in 50 years haven't been staying abreast of the news.

The Pentagon may never willingly disclose the whole story, but there are huge revelations almost every week now.

As you know, Jay Stratton has a book coming out soon. The dam is cracking more each and every day.

50 posted on 09/13/2024 11:11:53 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (Thinking is difficult. And painful. That’s why many people follow the crowd.)
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To: RoosterRedux

distraction. If real they ET could take us down in a matter of hours.


51 posted on 09/13/2024 11:17:00 AM PDT by BigFreakinToad (Remember the Biden Kitchen Fire of 2004)
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To: RoosterRedux

Agreed—the drip drip drip from many different sources reflects the real world of information on this topic.

Different people have different information they can share.

I have never bought into the idea that there is a well thought out “disclosure” plan.

At this point I think the secret keepers are just getting worn down—they don’t really have a plan—they are just like a hockey goalie facing an all star team firing slap shots at them.

Most of them just want to get it over with...and move on to a post disclosure world.


52 posted on 09/13/2024 11:19:12 AM PDT by cgbg ("Our democracy" = Their Kleptocracy)
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To: RoosterRedux

Whitley Strieber – Strieber, known for his book Communion (1987)

OH please... He is a fiction writer who wrote several fiction novels. Communion was a fiction book he is pretending is real.

“Strieber began his career as a novelist with the horror novels The Wolfen (1978) and The Hunger (1981), both of which were made into feature films, followed by the less successful horror novels Black Magic (1982)[5] and The Night Church (1983).[6]

Strieber then turned to speculative fiction with social conscience. Collaborating with James Kunetka, he wrote Warday (1984), about the dangers of limited nuclear warfare, and Nature’s End (1986),[7] a novel about environmental apocalypse. He independently authored Wolf of Shadows (1985),[8] a young adult novel set in the aftermath of a nuclear war.

In 1986, Strieber’s fantasy novel Catmagic was published with co-authorship credited to Jonathan Barry, who was billed as an aerospace industry consultant and a practicing witch.[9] In the 1987 paperback edition, Strieber states that Jonathan Barry is fictitious and that he is the sole author of Catmagic.”

Then he released “Communion”.


53 posted on 09/13/2024 11:20:26 AM PDT by DesertRhino (2016 Star Wars, 2020 The Empire Strikes Back, 2024... RETURN OF THE JEDI. )
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To: BigFreakinToad

Read Sun Tzu “The Art of War”.

He is very clear on how to proceed if you outclass your enemy in every way.

Do you know what he says on that topic?

The answer—infiltrate, influence—and win without firing a shot.

If you retain “plausible deniability” while taking over your enemy’s civilization you have won the best possible victory.


54 posted on 09/13/2024 11:21:49 AM PDT by cgbg ("Our democracy" = Their Kleptocracy)
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To: larrytown
No one is distracted by this stuff. The only people take notice of these kinds of stories are the few people who follow them regularly...and, of course, the even fewer who are complainers by nature.

As Benjamin Franklin said, "Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain—and most fools do."

55 posted on 09/13/2024 11:23:57 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (Thinking is difficult. And painful. That’s why many people follow the crowd.)
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To: cgbg

I’m sure the uniparty has sold out humanity hard.


56 posted on 09/13/2024 11:26:54 AM PDT by BigFreakinToad (Remember the Biden Kitchen Fire of 2004)
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To: D_Idaho

Maybe if Trump wins it’ll come out between 11/5/2024 and 1/20/2025.


57 posted on 09/13/2024 11:32:00 AM PDT by John W (W)
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To: vrwc1

So that would also apply to the Zeta Reticulans, Grays, Tall Whites, and Nordics. Right?


58 posted on 09/13/2024 11:45:38 AM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear (Kafka was an optimist.)
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To: DesertRhino
Did you read Communion? Or his other books? I did.

I met Whitley in Atlanta at a weird convention once. He gave a talk about this subject about 10 years after his book came out. Only a handful of people where present at the talk so he took time to meet everyone that wanted to chat with him. He seemed to be very sincere about his story.

Of course, there's no proof, so there's always the possibility he's lying. But there's also the possibility he's telling the truth.

As an aside, Whitley did meet with Dr. John Mack regarding the UFO phenomenon. He and Mack had extensive discussions regarding this subject and Mack spoke of it on several occasions, commenting that Strieber's experiences seemed as real as any of the people in Mack's research.

FWIW, Dr. Mack, professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical (who published Abduction: Human Encounters with Aliens (1994), had done a significant amount of clinical work on the abduction experience. In fact, Mack's work had to be defended against the Harvard Medical committee that sought to revoke his tenure because of his UFO work.

After an extremely careful examination of Mack's work (alleging his approach was unscientific and even harmful to the reputation of the Medical School), the committee agreed that Mack had more than met the school's academic, research, and treatment standards...and upheld his tenure.

In the tenure investigation, Mack was represented by Alan Dershowitz, who was a Harvard Law School professor at the time.

59 posted on 09/13/2024 11:47:19 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (Thinking is difficult. And painful. That’s why many people follow the crowd.)
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To: BigFreakinToad

Yup—common sense can go a long way in this area.

On any given policy does it help the human race get stronger and more civilized—or does it make it weaker and less civilized?

The entire woke mind virus is an example of something that divides the human race and makes it stupid.

Uncontrolled immigration has the same effect.

Endless wars—same thing.

Government Propaganda and Big Tech censorship—same thing.

Massive money printing and incredibly complex government bureaucracies—same thing.

Artificial intelligence controlled by the elites—same thing.

Government control of science and technology and universities through massive spending—same thing.

Anarcho-tyranny—supporting criminals while punishing average decent citizens—same thing.

Anyone who suggest this is done on purpose is called a “conspiracy theorist” by all major institutions of government, media, the education system—that is what plausible deniability looks like.


60 posted on 09/13/2024 11:52:10 AM PDT by cgbg ("Our democracy" = Their Kleptocracy)
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