Posted on 08/17/2024 6:29:00 AM PDT by MtnClimber
“I surrender,” Marty said, putting his hands up, blood streaking down his cheek, “You got me good.”
Marty, according to Joshua Mundy and Jay Carnicom, allegedly arrived at in the Days Inn parking lot in Fort Wayne, Indiana, that day to meet a 13-year-old girl for sex. Instead, he met Dads Against Predators (DAP), an organization that confronts alleged pedophiles and films the encounters for social media.
Public humiliation is the primary MO for the vast majority of vigilante pedophile hunters, but DAP is different. These guys draw blood, often releasing videos where they openly assault their targets. The Marty sting was brutal.
The Daily Caller is withholding images and identification of some alleged predators, including Marty’s video, because some appearing in this story have neither been charged nor convicted of a crime.
A Daily Caller review of dozens of these kinds of videos from various sting groups shows that while exchanges typically get testy, they almost never get violent. For DAP, however, the moment things get testy, they immediately start pounding on their marks.
Carnicom and Mundy had been posing as an underage girl on a dating app, a tactic they’ve deployed hundreds of times, to lure Marty into a public appearance. Once they had Marty out in the open, they confronted him about what they say were a number of inappropriate texts he allegedly sent them.
Mundy began reading Marty’s alleged texts aloud. “‘You’re fucking sexy,’ to a 13-year-old girl,” Mundy recited. “‘I don’t want to go to jail,'” Mundy continued reading. “‘You’re gonna be fine,’ little girl.'”
“You’re calling little girls ‘babe?'” Carnicorn asked.
“Hey! This man is here to meet a 13-year-old girl!” Mundy yelled, a staple shaming tactic Mundy has used hundreds of times throughout his five-year career of catching and exposing alleged pedophiles on the internet.
Marty continued to walk away as the pedophile hunters egged him on to call the police. “Leave me alone,” Marty pleaded before trying to run away. His short dash didn’t last long, as he soon turned around and raised his fists to fight.
The two pedophile hunters, both holding iPhones to record the encounter, quickly accepted the invitation. A storm of punches rained on Marty’s face, opening a large gash under his eye.
DAP informs Marty that the cops are on their way, at which point he flees.
Though the hunters referred Marty’s case to detectives, police in Indiana did not file charges. Years later, he allegedly again unknowingly alerted DAP while they were posing as another underaged girl on a dating app, but Marty left the chat when DAP revealed the girl’s age, DAP alleged.
The Daily Caller reached out to Marty to hear his side of the story but did not hear back by time of publication. Marty is one of many targets of DAP sting operations who did not face criminal charges. The Daily Caller is withholding his full identity since he has neither been charged nor convicted of a crime.
Dads Against Predators smack a sting operation target in a parking lot. Screenshot/Twitter/@jaycarnicomdap
The rapid rise in social media content consumption in the last decade has birthed some unique phenomena: Teenagers now become multi-millionaires by playing video games. Women turn their 15 minutes of fame into lucrative OnlyFans careers. And now, 17 years after the final episode of NBC’s “To Catch A Predator,” online pedophile hunters can publicly shame their targets and share the content to the masses.
Their videos once languished on the back-burner of social media algorithms, a casualty of a censor-happy media climate. Now, as Americans increasingly reject Big Tech censorship, the number of vigilante pedophile hunters are blowing up, reaching users’ feeds across the globe as they watch their follower counts rocket skyward.
Alex Rosen of I Fight For Kids, for instance, has gained significant followings across various platforms. X, however, is where accounts like his and DAP’s have made their biggest strides, particularly in the Elon Musk era.
Rosen’s account, @iFightForKids, has amassed over 315,000 followers. That’s up from 6,500 in July 2022, according to analytics firm SocialBlade.
The numerous online predator hunters deploy markedly different approaches to their craft. Rosen, for example, doesn’t ever lay hands on his targets. DAP, on the other hand, has no problem getting violent.
In one case, Mundy roundhouse kicked an alleged predator in the skull, knocking him out cold.
“I’ve kicked several predators in the face,” Mundy told the Daily Caller.
DAP accuses their targets of soliciting underage children in their videos, but some haven’t been formally charged with a crime. Because of this, the Daily Caller blurred their faces throughout this story and chose not to include or link out to any full videos of the pedophile hunts for legal reasons.
Despite meting out most of the violence, members of DAP have also suffered injuries, at least in one case significant enough for a hospital visit.
“My partner got shot. I had to wrestle a gun from a guy,” Mundy said. “The shot took place so close to his leg, it almost looks like a shotgun blast.”
The widely covered June 2022 incident occurred at a Target department store in Winston-Salem, North Carolina.
“The guy went on a high-speed chase with us after he tried to shoot us. I had to jump on him, wrestle him. It’s a whole thing,” Mundy explained. “It’s hard to even tell the story, because there are some stories in my life … imagine having a ghost story. You don’t like telling it because it sounds fake.”
DAP’s critics wonder how they get away with assaulting their marks, but Mundy said it’s highly unlikely that people caught in vigilante stings would call the cops on him. He told the Caller that cops did arrest him once, but the charges were dropped.
North Carolina police issued warrants for “simple affray” for Mundy and his two colleagues following the Target shooting, according to My Fox 8.
“The number one question I hear all the time is, ‘How do you get away with hitting them?’ But the reality is [for] assault … they gotta press charges. They gotta call the cops, right? So I can call the cops, report my stuff and send the police my videos. All the time the police ask for my videos, and obviously I’m smacking predators in these videos, but the police can’t watch the video and be like, ‘He’s hitting somebody, so that’s assault,’ or else they would charge everybody on WWE with assault every Monday,” Mundy said.
“Even if they press charges, okay, I bond out. I get a lawyer. I fight it. Now I subpoena them in court. I make them talk about it by the file in court. So I guess there’s ways that they could do it, but I’m always prepared for that,” he concluded.
Rosen disagrees with this tactic. He argues it leads to a lower conviction rate.
“I think hitting them … don’t get me wrong; I want to murder these people,” Rosen explained. “[But] this society that we’re in, hitting them is the dumbest thing you can do, because all it does is just let them walk.”
“All it takes is a defense attorney saying, ‘Oh, they only lured my guy here because they wanted to get quick, easy views and just slap him around. They don’t even care about questioning the guy.’ So there’s a lot of things that can go wrong.”
Despite his non-violent ethos, Rosen, like Mundy, has also stared down the wrong end of a gun. At least two of his targets have pulled firearms on him, one in Oregon in 2022 and another in June in Massachusetts, he told the Caller.
“The pedo got arrested on a bunch of penalties for that. So I didn’t complain,” Rosen said.
Rosen estimated that of his near-600 busts, police arrested more than 100 of the alleged predators. Some, like 56-year-old Arkansas man Jimmy Dewayne Stevens, go away for a long time. An Arkansas judge sentenced Stevens to 35 years in prison for possession of child pornography after Rosen caught him..............[more at link]
A friend worked for the SBI doing this type of work. These guys document their crimes quite well.
“I was hacked”
“Did the hacker burn the images on these CD’s and catalog them using your handwriting?”
If you do a search on the question of whether there are more slaves in the world today than at any time in history, you'll see that question is now openly debated and possibly yes. Most of them are sex slaves from the burgeoning worldwide sex trafficking industry.
It hits close to home, because I met a young lady (a Salvadoran who'd been adopted into the US) last year, who is now a slave. Some guy molested/raped her at work, and when he was fired over it, he emotionally manipulated her with a guilt trip over it and used that along with drugs and alcohol to pull her into the hell of trafficking. And LEO does nothing because in her doped up, addled, mentally manipulated state she's not asking for help.
Sounds great in theory, but in practice, how do these guys determine that the person pulling up to the location is actually the perp? If they are choosing a hotel parking lot or a rest stop as the meetup location, how are they determining with 100% accuracy that the person they are confronting is the person with whom they were communicating who was hoping to meet up with a minor?
I would just like to know more about their methodology to ensure that they avoid confronting someone who is completely innocent.
Walz is “protected” now as well.
The Democrat Convention is going to be a pervert fest.
Thanks for the link. Disgusting. Comments at the source BUMP.
AND all across the country DAs and neutered police forces urge citizens not to participate in this kind of vigilantism.
Probably because it nabs the politically connected. Imagine if they did this in that pedo supporter, Scott Weiner, Democrat San Fagsicko, district.
the term ‘pedophile’ refers to a specific age range of attraction, to children who have not yet begun puberty. The attraction to children who are going through puberty is called ‘hebephilia,’ and the attraction to teens/adolescents is described as ‘ephebophilia.’ Walker emphasizes the importance of using correct terms...
ephebophile = chickenhawk felon
hebephile = life sentence chomo
pedophile = death row convict
Or a third party gets caught up the public altercation and gets badly injured or killed. Or the bad guy gets in his car after being beat on and tries to speed away and creams someone. Seems like it might be pretty risky as far as civil lawsuits go.
Freegards
Surely while the hunters are setting the online trap, they ask the perv how they will identify him when he shows up, i.e. "Send me your photo" or "What kind of car will you drive?" or "Wear your Buffalo Bills shirt-- I bet you look hot in that!"
Also, at the meet up, they call him by his screen name. Maybe he answers to it; maybe he denies it butl panics and starts to flee. Meanwhile, they have the photo of him and start shouting, "This man is here to meet a 7-year-old girl and we have proof," increasing chances that someone else will trip or restrain him. I read of a catch last week where a perfect stranger tackled the fleeing perv after hearing the hunters call out the crime.
That’s because our legal system makes it exceedingly difficult to prosecute someone in a “predator” case where there is no actual victim.
Just imagine the narrative of a case like the ones described in this article. The vigilantes set up a sting operation involving a predator who thinks he is carrying on a conversation with a 13 year-old girl. They set up a sting operation, kick the guy’s ass, and the police get involved.
POLICE: “What happened here?”
VIGILANTE: “This deviant predator came here to molest a 13 year-old girl.”
POLICE: “Where is the victim?”
PREDATOR: “Well, there is no 13 year-old girl. It was just me pretending to be one.”
PROSECUTOR: “How the hell am I supposed to prosecute a case where there is no victim, and I would have to prove what the alleged predator did or didn’t know?”
Once you capture them take them out to the woods to stand before a shallow grave. Let them know that if they get out of prison alive this will be waiting for them. Encourage them to leave the US entirely.
Michael Douglas was a member of a group of judges fed up with criminals getting off on technicalities, so they would mete out justice as the saw fit.
Won't spoil the ending in case you haven't seen it, but worth a watch.
here, here...
well there are vigilantes.
I can understand needing to take justice into the people’s hands when there is no justice in the American system.
HOWEVER
In this time where any entity with computer people can get into any device and install any pictures and phony communications I would be less than sure that just because there are computer tracks that they are real.
The Soviets used this ploy against the Catholic church for years and that is one reason that their leadership did not believe American victims.
I would tread slowly here. Too many conservatives were conveniently tarred with the pedophile brush.
When justice cannot be obtained within The System, justice will be obtained outside the system.
All well and good if the guy is actually a pedo, but what if the guy has nothing to do with it and is fleeing because he was misidentified and he thinks he is being set up to be robbed? Anyone could randomly point at someone and yell "perv", "pedo" or "racist", etc. but that doesn't make it true. It just sounds a bit too inexact with too much risk of a false accusation. We are all for getting actual pedos off the streets, but I am just not sure if this method is foolproof enough to ensure that no innocent people have their lives ruined over a false accusation. Maybe they have it worked out better than I assume they do.
Anyone could randomly point at someone and yell “perv”, “pedo”
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That happened on the Apple River in Wisconsin. A bunch of drunk teens said this about a guy looking for his phone that he dropped in the water. They surrounded him, others got involved, they pushed him, held his head under water and he defended himself with a small knife - killing one of them.
The jury found him guilty of malicious pre-meditated murder and he’ll spend the rest of his life in prison.
I’ve seen other videos of similar incidents, and wonder if calling some random person a pervert or child-raper is a Tik-Tok thing to video the reaction of the victim?
There was no victim in any of the 34 bookkeeping errors, a misdemeanor at worst, that were persecuted as felonies. Yet Trump was fined $405 MILLION!
Like, hypothetically, Paul Pelosi?
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