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Ukraine 'shoots down Russian SU-34 bomber over Kursk and takes 100 Russian POWs'
Standard UK ^ | 8/14/2024 | Michael Howie

Posted on 08/14/2024 4:53:51 AM PDT by marcusmaximus

Ukraine’s strike on Russia, the biggest by a foreign force since World War Two, has dramatically changed the narrative around the war.

Ukraine claimed to have shot down a Russian fighter jet on Wednesday as Kyiv’s forces escalated the biggest foreign incursion suffered by Russia since the Second World War. Kyiv’s military said its forces destroyed the Russian Su-34 aircraft overnight in the Kursk region while carrying out a combat mission.

(Excerpt) Read more at standard.co.uk ...


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To: ClearCase_guy
Ukrainian military has suddenly become the most devastating force on the planet

Or these stories are complete BS. Which is more likely?
21 posted on 08/14/2024 6:28:40 AM PDT by JoSixChip (P.S. There’s a fed in that thread you’re in right now.)
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To: Karl Spooner

In another week he’ll be saying his son Beau died in the trenches of Kursk.


22 posted on 08/14/2024 6:56:01 AM PDT by Justa (Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people....)
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To: StayoutdaBushesWay

Gas is only .48 Rubles a liter (about $1.81 a gallon) here in Russia. It’s a refreshing change from what I was paying in California (almost $5.00 a gallon) before moving here almost 4 months ago
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Glad to hear from someone that has been there. When I was, the food prices were less than half of US food…..and the quality superior….no BPA’s, additives, hormones, etc…you are getting me started- in Moscow doctors do house calls, and medical treatment was pennies.

Vlad, like Trump, takes care of his people.


23 posted on 08/14/2024 6:56:48 AM PDT by delta7
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To: Cronos

Sources please.


24 posted on 08/14/2024 6:57:35 AM PDT by delta7
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To: Cronos

Putin would not have dared to invade if Trumpw as in power.
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Exactly, Trump would have enforced the Minsk agreements that the EU and Ukraine violated.


25 posted on 08/14/2024 6:58:50 AM PDT by delta7
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To: delta7
Vlad’s revenue from energy alone is $$$ 60 billion a month,

That's not that much money, Russia is a petro-state.

26 posted on 08/14/2024 7:58:43 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: ClearCase_guy
"It seems odd that after a few years of horrific attritional warfare, the Ukrainian military has suddenly become the most devastating force on the planet."
I suspect what we have here is AI-generated cheerleading BS presented as a "news" article, duplicated several times daily.
27 posted on 08/14/2024 8:10:47 AM PDT by citizen (Put all LBQTwhatever programming on a new subscription service: PERV-TV)
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To: delta7

“ Vlad, like Trump, takes care of his people.”

You think the government takes care of people.

Democrat leftist liberal worldview.


28 posted on 08/14/2024 8:39:10 AM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: Cronos

+1. A huge weakness in Russian/Soviet force structure is the lack of an equivalent to the US military NCO. Its just poorly trained troops who wont move without being given orders, and officers who must do all the technical work as well as provide the leadership (oh and make sure everything is politically correct, in the Soviet sense of the word).


29 posted on 08/14/2024 8:46:04 AM PDT by Magnum44 (...against all enemies, foreign and domestic... )
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To: null and void

Not quite - it would be as if our military didn’t and COULDN’T think of what to do next without orders from above.

And I’m talking at the bridge/battalion level and lower


30 posted on 08/14/2024 8:55:48 AM PDT by Cronos (I identify as an ambulance, my pronounces are wee/woo)
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To: delta7

delta7 “Vlad, like Trump, takes care of his people”

Vlad is nothing like Trump or rather Trump is nothing like Vlad.

Putin is a dictator who has left a blood trail of people who disagreed with him.

Trump is not a dictator and I object to you calling him one


31 posted on 08/14/2024 8:56:46 AM PDT by Cronos (I identify as an ambulance, my pronounces are wee/woo)
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To: marcusmaximus
Another day, more lost territory that Ukraine will never, ever get back, all while the Ukrainian waste manpower and resources in desolate part of Russia of no strategic value.

Russian Journey To Pokrovsk Is Clear l Russia Captures Zhelane

32 posted on 08/14/2024 8:59:48 AM PDT by Kazan
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To: delta7

Sources?

https://mil.in.ua/en/news/russia-transferred-s-400-from-kaliningrad-to-rostov-bellingcat/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/10/27/12000-russian-troops-once-posed-a-threat-from-inside-nato-then-they-went-to-ukraine-to-die/

https://www.voanews.com/a/russia-moves-its-air-defense-system-from-kaliningrad-/7370633.html

https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/09/28/russia-ukraine-war-nato-eastern-flank-military-kaliningrad-baltic-finland/

Since Russia first launched its invasion of Ukraine, Moscow has been peeling military forces away from its bases in Northern Europe to plug gaps in its forces suffering high losses and battlefield setbacks against Ukrainian troops.

Of an original estimated 30,000 Russian troops that once faced the Baltic countries and southern Finland, as many as 80 percent of them have been diverted to Ukraine, according to three senior European defense officials in the region, leaving Russia with only a skeleton crew in what was once its densest concentration of military force facing NATO territory.

“The drawdown we’ve seen from this region in the past seven months is very significant,” said one senior Nordic defense official, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive military matters. “Russia had this ground force posture facing us for decades that is now effectively just gone.”

https://essanews.com/russians-reportedly-moving-equipment-from-the-kaliningrad-region,6963063208646273a


33 posted on 08/14/2024 9:02:07 AM PDT by Cronos (I identify as an ambulance, my pronounces are wee/woo)
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To: delta7
The Minsk agreement was violated by Putin

Don’t Let Russia Fool You About the Minsk Agreements
CEPA
Kurt Volker
December 16, 2021
https://cepa.org/dont-let-russia-fool-you-about-the-minsk-agreements/

[Excerpt:]

1. There are two Minsk Agreements, not just one. The first “Minsk Protocol” was signed on September 5, 2014. It mainly consists of a commitment to a ceasefire along the existing line of contact, which Russia never respected. By February 2015, fighting had intensified to a level that led to renewed calls for a ceasefire, and ultimately led to the second Minsk Agreement, signed on February 12, 2015. Even after this agreement, Russian-led forces kept fighting and took the town of Debaltseve six days later. The two agreements are cumulative, building on each other, rather than the second replacing the first. This is important in understanding the importance, reflected in the first agreement, of an immediate ceasefire and full monitoring by the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE), including on the Ukraine-Russia border, as fundamental to the subsequent package of agreements.

2. Russia is a Party to the Minsk Agreements. The original Minsk signatories are Russia, Ukraine, and the OSCE. Russia is a protagonist in the war in Ukraine and is fully obliged to follow the deal’s terms. Despite that, however, Russia untruthfully claims not to be a party and only a facilitator — and that the real agreements are between Ukraine and the so-called “separatists,” who call themselves the Luhansk and Donetsk Peoples’ Republics (LPR and DPR), but are in fact Russian supplied and directed.

3. The LPR and DPR are not recognized as legitimate entities under the Minsk Agreements. The signatures of the leaders of the so-called Luhansk and Donetsk Peoples’ Republics were added after they had already been signed by Ukraine, Russia, and the OSCE. They were not among the original signatories, and indeed Ukraine would not have signed had their signatures been part of the deal. There is nothing in the content or format of the Agreement that legitimizes these entities and they should not be treated as negotiating partners in any sense. Russia alone controls the forces occupying parts of eastern Ukraine.

4. Russia is in violation of the Minsk Agreements. The deals require a ceasefire, withdrawal of foreign military forces, disbanding of illegal armed groups, and returning control of the Ukrainian side of the international border with Russia to Ukraine, all of this under OSCE supervision. Russia has done none of this. It has regular military officers as well as intelligence operatives and unmarked “little green men” woven into the military forces in Eastern Ukraine. The LPR and DPR forces are by any definition “illegal armed groups,” that have not been disbanded. The ceasefire has barely been respected by the Russian side for more than a few days at a time.

5. Russian-led forces prevent the OSCE from accomplishing its mission in Donbas as spelled out in the Minsk Agreements. It is an unstated irony in Vienna — understood by every single diplomatic mission and member of the international staff — that Russia approves the mandate of the OSCE Special Monitoring Mission (SMM) in Ukraine when it votes in Vienna, but then blocks implementation of that same mission on the ground in Ukraine. Because Russia is a member of the OSCE, and the SMM wants to preserve what little access it has to the occupied territories, the mission is guarded in what it says about ceasefire violations and restrictions on its freedom of movement. Privately, however, they acknowledge that some 80% of such violations and restrictions come from the Russian-controlled side of the border, and those that occur on the Ukrainian side are largely for safety reasons (e.g., avoiding mined approaches to bridges.)

6. Ukraine has implemented as much of Minsk as can reasonably be done while Russia still occupies its territory. The agreements require political measures on Ukraine’s side, including a special status for the region, an amnesty for those who committed crimes as part of the conflict, local elections, and some form of decentralization under the Ukrainian constitution. But the form of these measures is not specified, and Ukraine has already passed legislation addressing every point. It has passed – and extended with renewals – legislation on special status and amnesty, and already has legislation on the books governing local elections. It has passed constitutional amendments. The Minsk Agreements do not require Ukraine to grant autonomy to Donbas, or to become a federalized state. It is Russia’s unique interpretation that the measures passed by Ukraine are somehow insufficient, even though the agreements do not specify what details should be included, and Ukraine has already complied with what is actually specified to the degree it can.

What is lacking in Ukraine’s passage of these political measures is not the legislation per se, but implementation — which Russia itself prevents by continuing to occupy the territory. For example, international legal norms would never recognize the results of elections held under conditions of occupation, yet that is exactly what Russia seeks by demanding local elections before it relinquishes control. Moreover, the elections would not be for positions in the illegitimate LPR and DPR “governments” established under Russian occupation, but for the legitimate city councils, mayors, and oblast administrations that exist under Ukrainian law. Who would vote in such elections? Ukrainian law says all displaced citizens should vote. But would Russian occupation authorities allow this? These are matters for resolution under international supervision – not for Russia to dictate terms.

34 posted on 08/14/2024 9:07:01 AM PDT by Cronos (I identify as an ambulance, my pronounces are wee/woo)
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To: Cronos

A subtle but crucial difference!


35 posted on 08/14/2024 9:12:16 AM PDT by null and void (I identify as a conspiracy theorist. My personal pronouns are told/you/so.)
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To: Cronos

Don’t Let Russia Fool You About the Minsk Agreements
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Ex German Chancellor is ON RECORD stating the Minsk agreements were signed only to buy time for the US to strengthen Ukraine.

The truth is out there, seek and you will find.You have been fooled, again.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/12/22/ffci-d22.html

“ Former German Chancellor Merkel admits the Minsk agreement was merely to buy time for Ukraine’s arms build-up
Peter Schwarz
21 December 2022
According to former German Chancellor Angela Merkel, the Minsk agreement served to buy time to rearm Ukraine. “The 2014 Minsk agreement was an attempt to give Ukraine time,” Merkel told the….”


36 posted on 08/14/2024 9:23:48 AM PDT by delta7
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To: delta7

Trump did have four years to do just that.


37 posted on 08/14/2024 9:26:46 AM PDT by iluvschnitzle
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To: Cronos

You can read her admission at:

https://www.zeit.de/2022/51/angela-merkel-russland-fluechtlingskrise-bundeskanzler/seite-4

“ Angela Merkel:
“Hatten Sie gedacht, ich komme mit Pferdeschwanz?”
Seite 4/5: “Wir hätten schneller auf die Aggressivität Russlands reagieren müssen”
242 Kommentare

ZEIT: Ja, warum? Zumal es schon damals sehr heftige ….”

Common knowledge in the EU, and the people are not happy about the great deception.


38 posted on 08/14/2024 9:50:57 AM PDT by delta7
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To: marcusmaximus

Headline and text conflict. Is SU-34 a bomber or a fighter jet?


39 posted on 08/14/2024 10:47:05 AM PDT by JimRed (TERM LIMITS, NOW! Finish the damned WALL! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH! )
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To: marcusmaximus
Ukr Pokrovsk Crisis, Rus: No Talks Kiev; Alaudinov: Kursk NPP Ukr Target, Failed; Iran Rejects US
40 posted on 08/14/2024 10:57:47 AM PDT by Kazan
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