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1000s (entire regions) of Italian civilians were raped, murdered and abused by Allied Troops AFTER they surrendered in Italy in 1944.

Not surprisingly the great majority of pillaging troops were Islamic Berbers. what is surprising to me is they were mostly led by European French officers.

I’ve read a lot about WW2 and this was new to me (ohh sure I’ve read of so called “isolated” cases of rapes..but never the whole story) just proving the old adage “The Victor Writes the History Books” is true.

1 posted on 08/09/2024 5:35:10 AM PDT by Phoenix8
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I’ve read about this but can’t remember which book, they were savages among a defenseless white population that was a rich playground for their savagery, they indulged themselves.


2 posted on 08/09/2024 5:46:08 AM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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The movie “Two Women” starring Sophia Loren involved this.


3 posted on 08/09/2024 5:51:13 AM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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Sophia Loren starred as the mother in a movie called The Women or Two Women about a woman and her young daughter being raped by Turks or these guys in Italy during the end of WWII...

The mother doesnt know who the rapists were and blames the Americans, screaming at a jeep full of GIs who think dont understand her Italian and think shes just a crazy lady,,,


4 posted on 08/09/2024 5:54:22 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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Both sides committed atrocities. And that didn’t includes us soldiers. War as hell. That is why “it is a thing to be avoided” — James Kirk.


5 posted on 08/09/2024 5:55:26 AM PDT by cuban leaf (2024 is going to be one for the history books, like 1939. And 2025 will be more so, like 1940-1945.)
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Yep. American troops weren’t always on their best behavior in France either.

When you are in a war setting, killing other people, and surviving your friends getting killed, it creates an odd perspective on life. War is hell.


6 posted on 08/09/2024 5:56:41 AM PDT by cuban leaf (2024 is going to be one for the history books, like 1939. And 2025 will be more so, like 1940-1945.)
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Isn’t that type of behavior allowed if not encouraged by Islam, the religion of peace?


7 posted on 08/09/2024 5:57:42 AM PDT by redangus ( )
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There were plenty of rapes in Germany too....by the Brits, Americans and most especially by the French.

They’re there if you look at the medical records and all the German women applying to doctors for abortions due to rape. They’re just not there in the military records of any of the 3 Allied Occupying powers.

Since the fall of Communism, the West has finally gotten around to admitting the Red Army was an army of rapists and that they committed rape (not just of Germans but every single nationality in Eastern Europe they came across) by the millions.


8 posted on 08/09/2024 6:01:15 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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Emmett Till’s G.I. father raped and murdered an Italian female along with them. He was hung for it. Few know about it.


13 posted on 08/09/2024 6:20:23 AM PDT by montag813
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Raping like mohammed.


14 posted on 08/09/2024 6:21:47 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (And yet we have the morally inverted allahu akhbar chorus at FR on the pro-barbarism side!)
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Once again, that “Oldie-from-the-sands”, that wowwing-the-world religion of peace and love, comes straight from the history books, “mo-gonna-rocka-muh-bambino!”


15 posted on 08/09/2024 6:29:36 AM PDT by Terry L Smith
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Committing atrocities against the conquered has a long history. Alexander and Caesar butchered the defeated, sold the remainder into slavery. Vikings, of course, sacked monasteries and churches, took large numbers of slaves. That’s how wars were fought back in the day, for fun and profit.

The Torah itself has people killing the conquered and taking captives as slaves. The rabbinate, and Christian clergy, has moved away from that by saying that those were times in which God spoke directly to the people involved in indubitable ways, so gave them a pass, while proscribing such acts for current day fighting men. Islam has, unfortunately, been less prone to reform.

Still, the actions of Muslim soldiers on the Allied side were a minor blemish, atrocity-wise, relative to what Axis troops did. In Ethiopia, Italians gassed the locals, butchered hundreds of thousands of civilians. More relevant, Italians murdered tens of thousands of Arabs during their North African campaigns. It’s likely the Arabs were just getting a little payback.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_war_crimes#Pacification_of_Libya
[In 1923, Benito Mussolini embarked upon a pacification of Libya campaign to consolidate control over the Italian territory of Libya and Italian forces began to occupy large areas of Libya in order to allow Italian colonists to rapidly settle in it. They were met with resistance by the Senussi who were led by Omar Mukhtar. Civilians suspected of collaboration with the Senussi were executed. Refugees from the fighting were subject to bombing and strafing by Italian aircraft. In 1930, in northern Cyrenaica, 20,000 Bedouins were relocated and their land was given to Italian settlers. The Bedouins were forced to march across the desert into concentration camps. Starvation and other poor conditions in the camps were rampant and the internees were used for forced labour, ultimately leading to the death of nearly 4,000 internees by the time they were closed in September 1933.[1] Over 80,000 Cyrenaicans died during the Pacification in all.]


17 posted on 08/09/2024 6:38:24 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room)
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[I’ve read a lot about WW2 and this was new to me (ohh sure I’ve read of so called “isolated” cases of rapes..but never the whole story) just proving the old adage “The Victor Writes the History Books” is true.]


History is written by both winners and losers for their respective societies. The principal instance where history is written by the winners is when the losers’ territory is incorporated into the winners’ realm. As long as winners and losers remain separate countries, both will have distinct and possibly diametrically-opposed accounts of the same events.

Secondarily, history is written by the literate. The Danish, Frisian and Norse warriors who raided the English kingdoms near the turn of the first millennium lacked a written language. The raids they mounted are thus typically narrated from an English standpoint, since the English were literate.

In the Orient, the various nomadic tribes that surrounded the Chinese state at various stages in its existence were usually illiterate. As such, historical accounts of their deeds, and the normative judgments rendered, are heavily slanted towards the Chinese point of view, as a result of Chinese authorship.


20 posted on 08/09/2024 6:53:31 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room)
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The Russians, advancing across Eastern Germany were encouraged to brutalize and rape by propaganda. “Heros of Russia, the women of Germany are yours!”


27 posted on 08/09/2024 8:06:52 AM PDT by Fido969
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BKMK


37 posted on 08/09/2024 10:53:02 AM PDT by lizma2
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The Moroccans are Moslems. What should one expect?


39 posted on 08/09/2024 12:44:16 PM PDT by arthurus (covfefe wa)
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War is hell. The more brutal and savage the sooner it ends. A horrible reality but reality nonetheless.


40 posted on 08/09/2024 1:54:01 PM PDT by Organic Panic (Democrats. Memories as short as Joe Biden's eyes)
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There was an item yesterday about the Roman General Belasarius.

He had two foreign Soldiers under his command impaled because they acted stupidly.

The same thing should have happened in this case.


49 posted on 08/11/2024 8:11:32 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer” )
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