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Cylinder sails promise up to 90% fuel consumption cut for cargo ships
New Atlas ^ | JULY 31, 2024 | David Szondy

Posted on 08/02/2024 11:16:26 AM PDT by Red Badger

Artist's concept of a ship with the CoFlow system

Looking like a set of bridge supports that were accidentally installed on a cargo ship, a new wind-driven system by startup CoFlow Jet promises to reduce ship fuel costs by up to 90% using stationary cylinders with no moving parts.

Between rising fuel costs and increasing government mandates requiring shipping companies to go carbon neutral by 2050, there's a strong push to increase the efficiency of cargo ships while reducing their emissions. One way of doing this is to take a page from the history books and readopt sails to harness the wind.

On the surface, that makes sense. Sails have been propelling ships all over the world for millennia and were still used for commercial transport until after the Second World War. However, there are two problems with sails that have pushed them out of the cargo market for all except the most local of niches.

First, traditional sails require huge crews. Something the size of the 921-tonne tea clipper Cutty Sark needed a crew of about 30 to handle the sails and the complex sheets and lines that controlled them. Compare that to a modern 196,000-tonne container ship that needs only 13 officers and sailors – and most of them are pushing buttons instead of hauling lines.

The second problem is that sails are completely dependent on the wind. If the wind is blowing hard enough and in the right direction, great. If it's blowing too little or too hard, or if it's blowing from the wrong quarter, that's not so great. If it's not blowing at all, you're not going anywhere.

(Excerpt) Read more at newatlas.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; History; Military/Veterans; Travel
KEYWORDS: ajntsa; sails
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To: TexasGator
"You THINK you remember. These didn’t exist years ago. Even today, only small test models exist."

You mean this one from 1926? The photos I saw twenty years ago were of newer vessels. Anton Flettner also designed a workable helicopter in 1942.

121 posted on 08/02/2024 6:03:19 PM PDT by PLMerite ("They say that we were Cold Warriors. Yes, and a bloody good show, too." - Robert Conquest )
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To: aquila48

Well, in terms of why it’s not a perpetual motion machine, yes.

But the car-with-wind-turbine doesn’t have anything like the Coanda or Magnus effect. That’s what’s different.


122 posted on 08/02/2024 6:05:27 PM PDT by steve86 (Numquam accusatus, numquam ad curiam ibit, numquam ad carcerem™)
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To: PLMerite

“You mean this one from 1926? The photos I saw twenty years ago were of newer vessels. Anton Flettner also designed a workable helicopter in 1942.”

Those are Flettner rotors. The ones in the OP are NOT Flettner rotors. In fact, they don’t even rotate. You can not find photos because none have ever been built; only small experimental test models.


123 posted on 08/02/2024 6:08:55 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: PLMerite

“You mean this one from 1926? “

GEEZ!

See the side of the ship! FLETTNER ROTOR! Read the article. It clearly states that these are NOT Flettner rotors.


124 posted on 08/02/2024 6:11:32 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: citizen

“Our resident liberal cage rattler thinks this pie-in-the-sky is just great.”

Grow up. You can’t back up word you say. You are the radical trying to silence the truth via false personal attacks. Saul would be proud of you.


125 posted on 08/02/2024 6:19:47 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: higgmeister; TexasGator; Red Badger

It says clearly in the article that the cylinders don’t spin. It is not based on the Bernoulli (or Magnus) effect . Here it is...

“The CoFlow Jet cylinders developed by Zha DON’T ROTATE. They draw in a bit of the air from the wind blowing across and through them and then expends it at another part of the cylinder.”

And here’s a good video of the Magnus effect.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/transcoded/6/68/08._%D0%9C%D0%B0%D0%B3%D0%BD%D1%83%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%B2_%D0%B5%D1%84%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%82.ogv/08._%D0%9C%D0%B0%D0%B3%D0%BD%D1%83%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%B2_%D0%B5%D1%84%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%82.ogv.720p.vp9.webm

This is not what they’re talking about. There have been several ship built on the Magnus effect (rotor ships) over the decades. The fact that they haven’t taken hold tells you all you need to know about their practicality.


126 posted on 08/02/2024 6:24:46 PM PDT by aquila48 (Do not let them make you "care" ! Guilting you is how they control you. )
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To: aquila48

Geez. Did you flunk fluid dynamics?

“They draw in a bit of the air from the wind blowing across and through them and then expends it at another part of the cylinder.”

A spinning rotor creates a pressure differential which produces the driving force. The ‘bit of air’ does not produce the driving force. It creates a similar pressure differential which then produces the propulsion force. Mechanics are different, physics is similar.


127 posted on 08/02/2024 6:40:38 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: Red Badger

This same thing was proclaimed long ago as the solution to rising fuel prices and I believe there was even a prototype built and much hype about its first voyage about to begin and then nothing. I think I saw an articlebin a magazine so it as probably before internet.


128 posted on 08/02/2024 6:44:25 PM PDT by arthurus (covfefe ed)
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To: arthurus

“This same thing was proclaimed long ago as the solution to rising fuel prices and I believe there was even a prototype built and much hype about its first voyage about to begin and then nothing. I think I saw an articlebin a magazine so it as probably before internet.”

Not the same. This is new technology. No prototypes.


129 posted on 08/02/2024 6:50:25 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: steve86

See post 126.


130 posted on 08/02/2024 7:33:52 PM PDT by aquila48 (Do not let them make you "care" ! Guilting you is how they control you. )
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To: aquila48; steve86

“See post 126.”

Please disregard post #126.


131 posted on 08/02/2024 7:48:51 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: aquila48

Step 1:

The Coandă effect (/ˈkwɑːndə/ or /ˈkwæ-/) is the tendency of a fluid jet to stay attached to a convex surface.[1] Merriam-Webster describes it as “the tendency of a jet of fluid emerging from an orifice to follow an adjacent flat or curved surface and to entrain fluid from the surroundings so that a region of lower pressure develops.”[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coand%C4%83_effect


132 posted on 08/02/2024 8:24:13 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: Red Badger

It doesn’t work. I remember seeing a Jacques Cousteau special in the 80’s where they had a sail boat on the same principal called the ‘turbo sail’ It doesn’t work for cargo ships.

I get really sick of you posting every utopian energy scheme you encounter. “may”, “might”, ‘could’

Yawn


133 posted on 08/03/2024 2:32:35 AM PDT by 1756-L85E
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To: TexasGator

Screw you & your utopian ilk. If this old tech worked, it would be in wide use. It doesn’t and its not.


134 posted on 08/03/2024 2:37:34 AM PDT by 1756-L85E
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To: xoxox; TexasGator

“like solar, this gets promoted every few years.”
^

Such is so.

Another one is a huge kite.

(If you’ve seen kite-skiing, you know how effective wind is...)

Sails powered tall ships with an estimated one-hundred horsepower...


135 posted on 08/03/2024 2:55:50 AM PDT by Does so ( 🇺🇦......Say it fast...Kamala D. Harris = KALAMITY Harris...)
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To: 1756-L85E

“Screw you & your utopian ilk.”

Take your meds.


136 posted on 08/03/2024 8:51:18 AM PDT by TexasGator
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To: Does so

“Sails powered tall ships with an estimated one-hundred horsepower...”

Your 100 hp is not realistic.


137 posted on 08/03/2024 9:32:58 AM PDT by TexasGator
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To: 1756-L85E

“It doesn’t work. I remember seeing a Jacques Cousteau special in the 80’s where they had a sail boat on the same principal called the ‘turbo sail’ It doesn’t work for cargo ships.”

Not the same principle!


138 posted on 08/03/2024 9:34:32 AM PDT by TexasGator
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To: 1756-L85E

“I get really sick of you posting every utopian energy scheme you encounter. “may”, “might”, ‘could’”

Looking at your vile posting history I suggest you go to counseling.


139 posted on 08/03/2024 9:37:57 AM PDT by TexasGator
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To: 1756-L85E

“Screw you & your utopian ilk. “

Your every post seems to be a complaint and/or vile personal attack. What is your problem?


140 posted on 08/03/2024 9:42:03 AM PDT by TexasGator
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