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Cylinder sails promise up to 90% fuel consumption cut for cargo ships
New Atlas ^ | JULY 31, 2024 | David Szondy

Posted on 08/02/2024 11:16:26 AM PDT by Red Badger

Artist's concept of a ship with the CoFlow system

Looking like a set of bridge supports that were accidentally installed on a cargo ship, a new wind-driven system by startup CoFlow Jet promises to reduce ship fuel costs by up to 90% using stationary cylinders with no moving parts.

Between rising fuel costs and increasing government mandates requiring shipping companies to go carbon neutral by 2050, there's a strong push to increase the efficiency of cargo ships while reducing their emissions. One way of doing this is to take a page from the history books and readopt sails to harness the wind.

On the surface, that makes sense. Sails have been propelling ships all over the world for millennia and were still used for commercial transport until after the Second World War. However, there are two problems with sails that have pushed them out of the cargo market for all except the most local of niches.

First, traditional sails require huge crews. Something the size of the 921-tonne tea clipper Cutty Sark needed a crew of about 30 to handle the sails and the complex sheets and lines that controlled them. Compare that to a modern 196,000-tonne container ship that needs only 13 officers and sailors – and most of them are pushing buttons instead of hauling lines.

The second problem is that sails are completely dependent on the wind. If the wind is blowing hard enough and in the right direction, great. If it's blowing too little or too hard, or if it's blowing from the wrong quarter, that's not so great. If it's not blowing at all, you're not going anywhere.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; History; Military/Veterans; Travel
KEYWORDS: ajntsa; sails
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To: TexasGator

“You do not understand how this operates.”

Obviously not. I asked you to tell me how in your own words but you refused.

Let’s say you’re on this ship and you want to go east and there is a 20mph head wind straight from the east, how will this ship move east? Does it tack? How?


101 posted on 08/02/2024 2:14:48 PM PDT by aquila48 (Do not let them make you "care" ! Guilting you is how they control you. )
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To: Red Badger

I remember this story. It was in my Weekly Reader in 1976.


102 posted on 08/02/2024 2:15:37 PM PDT by Professional Engineer (Looks like I'll have to buy the White Album again.)
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To: Red Badger
Jacques Cousteau (probably the greatest enviro-weenie charlatan of all time) built one in 1985. Claimed it was 3.5x-4x as efficient as a Marconi/Bermuda-rigged sail.

If its so efficient, 40 years later, why hasn't it taken over the world?

https://web.archive.org/web/20220401032800/https://www.cousteau.org/legacy/technology/turbosail/

103 posted on 08/02/2024 2:22:22 PM PDT by Paal Gulli
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To: aquila48

“Obviously not. I asked you to tell me how in your own words but you refused.”

I referred you to their website.


104 posted on 08/02/2024 2:39:21 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: Paal Gulli

Those are turbosails. Similar but different.


105 posted on 08/02/2024 2:42:50 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: aquila48; WhoisAlanGreenspan?
You got it all wrong.   It is not a turbine.   It goes all the way back to the Bernoulli family who investigated hydrodynamics and the subsequent Magnus effect named after the German physicist who investigated it.
The Magnus Effect is a feature of airflow around a spinning body that is also moving relative to the airstream (or that has air flowing over it). The spinning flow combines with the one-directional flow to produce a net sideways force that, unless balanced out somehow, will push the body to the side.

See "WhoisAlanGreenspan?" fantastic video primer on the subject.

https://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/4255835/posts?page=100#100

106 posted on 08/02/2024 2:43:55 PM PDT by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken! )
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To: Professional Engineer

“I remember this story. It was in my Weekly Reader in 1976.”

A professional engineer would not make such a statement.


107 posted on 08/02/2024 2:44:40 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: aquila48

“Let’s say you’re on this ship and you want to go east and there is a 20mph head wind straight from the east, how will this ship move east? Does it tack? How?”

Put on your thinking cap first then read the article.


108 posted on 08/02/2024 2:47:20 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: higgmeister

Good video on Flettner rotors but this one doesn’t rotate.


109 posted on 08/02/2024 2:52:46 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: TexasGator

“ If only you had read the article you would know what you don’t know.”
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Lots of quibbling going on. I have an idea… let the FREE MARKET decide. The FREE MARKET AND FREE ENTERPPRISE are the BEST ALLOCATION OF RESOURCES AND INVESTMENT.

It may simply be that the “juice is not worth the squeeze “. My experience is that ANYTHING that requires the INVOLUNTARY USE OF OTHER-PEOPLE’S-MONEY is usually not economic and allocates money to undeserving purposes. Let the Ocean Carriers decide if they want this.


110 posted on 08/02/2024 2:59:56 PM PDT by House Atreides (I’m now ULTRA-MAGA-PRO-MAXkansas )
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To: aquila48

“That sounds a lot like a perpetual motion machine.”

It “is” as long as the ship keeps moving or the wind blows (there is energy input).


111 posted on 08/02/2024 3:06:06 PM PDT by steve86 (Numquam accusatus, numquam ad curiam ibit, numquam ad carcerem™)
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To: PLMerite

“I remember seeing pictures of these things years ago.”

You THINK you remember. These didn’t exist years ago. Even today, only small test models exist.


112 posted on 08/02/2024 3:12:14 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: TexasGator
As you just said:
Flettner rotors are large rotating cylinders that produce aerodynamic thrust at right angles of the air passing over them. The CoFlow Jet cylinders developed by Zha don't rotate. They draw in a bit of the air from the wind blowing across and through them and then expends it at another part of the cylinder. By drawing in a small amount of air from the intake, pressurizing it using an impeller, and squirting it through the outlet, this generates a pressure imbalance and a considerable amount of thrust, which extends the full length of the cylinders.
The only difference is that Zha's rotor sucks air in and then blows out its own wind that curves around the rotor at a the precise point to get the Magnus effect to compel the ship to go forward.

More genius than the Bernoullis, Magnus and the other guys up until now.

The artificial wind is blown around the cylinder at its own quarter as needed.

113 posted on 08/02/2024 3:12:18 PM PDT by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken! )
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To: higgmeister

“The only difference is that Zha’s rotor sucks air in and then blows out its own wind that curves around the rotor at a the precise point to get the Magnus effect to compel the ship to go forward.”

The Flettner spins to produce the pressure difference. This uses a jet of air.


114 posted on 08/02/2024 3:16:11 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: higgmeister
You're correct the subject of the thread was about CoFlow Jet and that's a different way to a similar result, I visited their website but found no discussion of the cargo ship ideas. It's a creative engineering group with some interesting ideas.

Battery powered aircraft, innovative aerodynamics, Mars rovers, worth a quick look.

115 posted on 08/02/2024 3:45:10 PM PDT by WhoisAlanGreenspan? (GO LIONS)
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To: Red Badger

Looks like those cylinders are standing right where there are otherwise shipping containers piled high, deep, and wide.

Eliminate the payload for cylinder sails? Great idea!

Did I go and read the whole article? No. The posted picture speaks for itself or should not have been posted in the first place.


116 posted on 08/02/2024 4:02:48 PM PDT by Moltke (Reasoning with a liberal is like watering a rock in the hope to grow a building.)
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To: Moltke

“Looks like those cylinders are standing right where there are otherwise shipping containers piled high, deep, and wide.”

Not all ships haul containers.


117 posted on 08/02/2024 4:59:14 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: Moltke

“Eliminate the payload for cylinder sails? Great idea!”

A large ship may carry 3 million gallons of fuel. You can calculate the volume.


118 posted on 08/02/2024 5:02:19 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: Moltke
"Eliminate the payload for cylinder sails? Great idea!"

Real world application of Flettner rotors. An older technology but similar profile.


119 posted on 08/02/2024 5:34:44 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: steve86
You must mean something like this...


120 posted on 08/02/2024 5:57:46 PM PDT by aquila48 (Do not let them make you "care" ! Guilting you is how they control you. )
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