Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Cars Are Now Rolling Computers, So How Long Will They Get Updates? Automakers Can’t Say
Spotify ^ | 25 July 2024 | AArian Marshall

Posted on 07/27/2024 12:16:15 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT

Phones are supported well beyond their average ownership lifetime. In stark contrast, automakers are struggling to work out how long their “smartphones on wheels” can be kept on the road.

In 2022, the automaker told drivers of the affected cars, some only three years old, that a technical solution was delayed by the pandemic. Now, more than two years later, those drivers still don’t have access to telematics services.

A recent report found that cars and trucks just reached a new record average age of 12.6 years, up two months from 2023.

“Whatever anybody is saying right now, it will really have to be proven out in time,” says Stacey Higginbotham, a policy fellow at Consumer Reports.

(Excerpt) Read more at open.spotify.com ...


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Humor
KEYWORDS: automotive; cars; computers; expired; rollingcomputers; updating
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-80 ... 121-129 next last
To: dkGba

“auto insurance essentially stole my damaged 2016 Honda from me after accident.”

LOL.


21 posted on 07/27/2024 1:10:13 PM PDT by plain talk
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Paladin2

“Dedicated electronic ignition is WAY better [Ford TFI modules excepted.].”

What is the concern? I have been driving performance Fords for 24 years with no problems.

“Coil on plug remains very questionable.”

What is the concern? I have been driving performance Fords for 24 years with no problems.


22 posted on 07/27/2024 1:15:33 PM PDT by TexasGator
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: The Louiswu

But you’ll be happy.


23 posted on 07/27/2024 1:17:16 PM PDT by Jonty30 (Trump beat Hilary in 2016. He ended her kill streak in 2024.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: DUMBGRUNT

The SUV we bought has a user manual about 500 pages long because of its computer. How ridiculous.


24 posted on 07/27/2024 1:17:37 PM PDT by antidemoncrat
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: TexasGator

I’ve experienced no shortage of issues with Ford coils and ignition modules over the last 40 years.

I have a fair sized collection of their ignition hardware junk.

Now everything generally works fine for the first ~5 years. After that you are on your own.

YMMV


25 posted on 07/27/2024 1:25:52 PM PDT by Paladin2 (YMMV)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: antidemoncrat

Everything that you buy today is a computer with something else attached, be it a washing machine, refrigerator, television, automobile, John Deere Tractor, or cell phone.


26 posted on 07/27/2024 1:26:30 PM PDT by Ed Condon (subliminal messages here in invisible ink)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: antidemoncrat

I used to buy the service manuals for my cars but I no longer do, since just about everything is available on the web.


27 posted on 07/27/2024 1:30:12 PM PDT by Ed Condon (subliminal messages here in invisible ink)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: Paladin2

“Now everything generally works fine for the first ~5 years. After that you are on your own.

YMMV”

Drove my 2000 for 10 years. Drove my 2008 for 8 years. No problems.


28 posted on 07/27/2024 1:39:59 PM PDT by TexasGator
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: DUMBGRUNT

More important, will your car just lock up during the update?


29 posted on 07/27/2024 1:46:36 PM PDT by doorgunner69 (I don't know what he said at the end of that sentence. i don't think he knows what he said either)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: bimboeruption

Hoping my 2019 Sante Fe lasts - and works - as long as I do.


30 posted on 07/27/2024 1:48:19 PM PDT by citizen (Put all LBQTwhatever programming on a new subscription service: PERV-TV)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: monkeyshine

Hi, coding for a change of battery is all to do with having the Stop Start functionality. When this was introduced, it wasn’t simply about turning the engine on and off, there were a whole raft of changes about minimising engine load at starting, and replenishing the battery quickly. In order to achieve this they employ a variable charge alternator, with no charging at startup (reduces engine load) and high charging on slowing down (increases engine load and achieves regeneration on deceleration).

In order to monitor this a load sensing module is placed between the battery live terminal, and the load taken from the live. The control system also has to know the battery size, characteristics, and know when it get’s replaced (as over time the car will compensate for an aging battery by limiting it’s charging).

This is why the coding is needed. Bottom line, if you have Stop Start and the monitor module on your live terminal, you need the car coded to know there’s a new battery and it’s a different capacity and type. If you don’t have any of this, the battery can just be replaced like any other car. Knowing this you can decide which version of Tig you have and whether you do need it coded.

Hope this helps you.

https://www.mytiguan.com/threads/battery-coding.54485/


31 posted on 07/27/2024 1:51:28 PM PDT by TexasGator
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: DUMBGRUNT

I’m thinking computers will be in your clothes eventually. Wearing your clothes means wearing your computer.


32 posted on 07/27/2024 1:51:58 PM PDT by BEJ
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: FiddlePig

Need cars which swap out engines, transmission etc. and other major parts if necessary. To be easily rebuilt by OEM for 1/2 the cost of new cars. I have a 2009 Cobalt with 335,000 miles. If there were still lots of replacement part options I would rebuild it. Old VW bugs changed very little during their lifespan and there are still many people fixing, retrofitting, and driving them. First manufactured in 1945.


33 posted on 07/27/2024 1:55:06 PM PDT by Getready (Wisdom is more valuable than gold and harder to find.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: TexasGator

Most of my bad hardware is from before 2000 MY, but I do have a few bad coil-on-plug coils from a 2004 in my collection.

A yuge PITA to have to have to disassemble the intake manifold to get to the back 3 cylinders...

The only Ford vehs mfg. since than were two, 2 yr lease [2019 then a 2021] p/us. They were fine for their 2 yrs of service....

I’m on to a 2024, so we’ll see. I don’t think I’ll be keeping it for 20 years [I’m unlikely to live that long...].

As always, YMMV


34 posted on 07/27/2024 2:08:33 PM PDT by Paladin2 (YMMV)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: antidemoncrat

I thought Apple screens were supposed to make computers plug-n-play.


35 posted on 07/27/2024 2:17:00 PM PDT by NetAddicted (MAGA2024)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: FiddlePig

“And maybe one that can retrofit new autos with some of that old time tech.”

That would be felony emissions tampering.


36 posted on 07/27/2024 2:27:47 PM PDT by steve86 (Numquam accusatus, numquam ad curiam ibit, numquam ad carcerem™)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: steve86

I think I’ll pass on the points myself.

Ok with carbs (the air fuel metering kind as well as the dietary kind!).


37 posted on 07/27/2024 2:34:26 PM PDT by steve86 (Numquam accusatus, numquam ad curiam ibit, numquam ad carcerem™)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: TexasGator

Still driving my 2007 Saturn Relay Van and can not imagine giving it up! (Installed after market back-up sensors).


38 posted on 07/27/2024 2:35:49 PM PDT by acoulterfan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: The Louiswu

One day you’ll get an update and your car WILL NOT FUNCTION any longer.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I bought a used 2022 recently. One of the terms in the contract I gave them was that they had to certify that all the updates had been done already...


39 posted on 07/27/2024 2:38:24 PM PDT by hecticskeptic
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: TexasGator

$750 is what I was told. Maybe someone is ripping him off.


40 posted on 07/27/2024 2:51:35 PM PDT by monkeyshine (live and let live is dead)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-80 ... 121-129 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson