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Explain WhyWe Are We Even Adversaries With Russia?
Self | 07/19/2024 | Self

Posted on 07/19/2024 5:37:32 PM PDT by ExpatCanuck

Russia supports our adversaries because we still treat Russia as our adversary. A change in policy could change the global world order overnight. China and Islamists are our true enemies.


TOPICS: History; Religion; Society
KEYWORDS: nato; putinpuffershatefr; putinsacommie; russia; stupidvanity; vanity
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To: amnestynone
No they really are our enemies. Your point is absurd.

Why is it absurd? Without some explanation, your comment has the value of a turd that didn’t get flushed when someone flushed. I’m now expecting a response somewhat akin to ‘Because they are, so there!’

41 posted on 07/19/2024 6:10:38 PM PDT by ExpatCanuck
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To: Reno89519

Which country sent chicken legs to starving Russian population in the beginning of 1990s which the said population fondly called “Bush’s legs”? The answer is: United States of America.

Who guaranteed Russian security by promising Ukraine protection after convincing Ukraine government to transfer their nuclear weapons to Russia? The answer is: United States of America.

US businesses (Ford, McDonald’s, numerous others) improved living standards for thousands of Russian citizens with well-paid jobs, as well as provided vital technologies to many Russian enterprises.

Your claim that “we turned our back” has no factual basis, or is an intentional lie.


42 posted on 07/19/2024 6:15:32 PM PDT by exinnj
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To: packagingguy

Dr. Zhivago. Alec Guinness was the narrator. In the beginning as he was joining up with the Bolsheviks he said it was the elites in both Germany and Russia who wanted the war.


43 posted on 07/19/2024 6:16:01 PM PDT by DIRTYSECRET
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To: Williams

And my point is that if we started working with Russia, they would stop working with our enemies, and start working with us. We can easily make it in their best interest to work with us.


44 posted on 07/19/2024 6:17:43 PM PDT by ExpatCanuck
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To: ExpatCanuck

Because the media and the cabal faked us into thinking that way.


45 posted on 07/19/2024 6:19:35 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (What are the personal implications if the Resurrection of Christ is a true event in history?)
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To: ExpatCanuck

Simple. Because Trump.


46 posted on 07/19/2024 6:20:09 PM PDT by sunny bonobo
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To: ExpatCanuck
“I don't know if modern day Russia is behind the Marxist based ideologies that have gained ground in the USA Today. They certainly were during the Cold War...”

Not really. The Soviet Union was a genocidal, military dictatorship and that didn't change much.

The current western homo/green/multi-cult idiocy is another thing.

47 posted on 07/19/2024 6:21:03 PM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Reno89519

They did receive such assistance. Massive FDI (Foreign Direct Investment) and tech support in developing their energy extraction and export infrastructure pulled them out of poverty. The strength of Russia today is the direct result of such assistance.

The US also granted them MFN (most favored nation) status in 1996, pretty much as soon as they applied. China only got MFN in 2001. MFN also opened up the FDI stream.

One can, with reason, argue that it was exactly that, the US/western support for Russia, that created a monster, that could afford (or so they thought) expansionist wars and dreams of a restored empire.


48 posted on 07/19/2024 6:21:43 PM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: ExpatCanuck
Rather than respond to any one poster;

President Trump, by surviving the assassination attempt, fisting America to fight, fight, fight, but NOT calling for what any democrat would kill their mother over . . . a call to arms and city burning, robbery, looting, rape and murder;
but remaining calm and continuing in a decent issue centered campaign, is most certainly noticed by every world leader . . . Russia, China, North Korea, whatever Stan is an enemy and et cetera.


IF we can be patient (and we've shown maturity thus far), the enemy has been mortally wounded and the conversation now about joe's covid and whether he'll run, is all bluster to take the attention off of a true Leader Of The Free World, President Donald Trump.

49 posted on 07/19/2024 6:22:12 PM PDT by knarf
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To: Petrosius
"Perhaps it is because Russia is militarily expansionist."

I heard all that crap in the 50's. It's a broken record. We are in more peril now from our own current government than Russia has been to us since the Cold War ended. We've fought proxy wars with Russia since The Korean War. Where was their military expansionism then? Did they invade and take over Korea? Vietnam?

West Germany's Intelligence couldn't even keep Nazis out of its government, nor could they keep Russian moles out either. The CIA hired known Nazis war criminals to conduct intelligence gathering on our "enemies" for us. Yet to this day, we have never been told what important intelligence those Nazis gave us on Russia that helped us win the Cold War, because guess what? The Nazis got over on the CIA, and used their CIA-sponsored spy rings to help their Nazi war criminal friends escape from Europe, and conduct illegal arms trafficking with Egypt, Syria, and Lebanon to attack Israel. We are our own worst enemy. It sure as hell isn't Russia.

50 posted on 07/19/2024 6:22:49 PM PDT by mass55th (“Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway.” ― John Wayne)
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To: ealgeone

Cold War, not WW2.


51 posted on 07/19/2024 6:23:55 PM PDT by grimalkin (Communism is the final logic of the dehumanization of man. -Fulton J. Sheen)
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To: Grzegorz 246

Do you honestly believe that was a serious attempt or just crap for the media to suck up and vomit out?


52 posted on 07/19/2024 6:26:10 PM PDT by ExpatCanuck
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To: ealgeone

The window of opportunity being referenced occurred after the Berlin Wall fell and the Soviet Union collapsed. Russia was no longer a multi-national conglomerate driven by an ideology bent on world domination.

I guess the military industrial complex could not afford to lose an enemy and have peace and cooperation break out. The Deep State made sure that opportunity was missed.


53 posted on 07/19/2024 6:26:56 PM PDT by PTBAA
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To: Alberta's Child

The US has turned from a foreign asset owner to an attractor of FDI (foreign direct investment). The US is not an imperial power in any economic sense, its got the most open import and investment market on earth. The US makes rather little from its international investments. An it is piss poor at defending such investments btw., as every state that has nationalized US investments knows very well.

Being a host for FDI is a very long standing condition for the US. Net capital flows from abroad, mainly Britain and the rest of Europe, was always massively inwards, foreigners investing in US property and companies, pre-1914, and this resumed @ in the 1970’s.


54 posted on 07/19/2024 6:27:21 PM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: ExpatCanuck

A good article on Russia and it’s long islationist attitude is here:

https://www.ucis.pitt.edu/nceeer/1990-802-11-Brooks.pdf

wy69


55 posted on 07/19/2024 6:27:54 PM PDT by whitney69
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To: ExpatCanuck

A good article on Russia and it’s long islationist attitude is here:

https://www.ucis.pitt.edu/nceeer/1990-802-11-Brooks.pdf

wy69


56 posted on 07/19/2024 6:27:54 PM PDT by whitney69
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To: ExpatCanuck

Funny how Russia never called us their enemy.


57 posted on 07/19/2024 6:28:10 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (What are the personal implications if the Resurrection of Christ is a true event in history?)
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To: ExpatCanuck

because the war machine makes senators and dynacorp rich

because Russia has vast natural resources that deep state wants to mine

because Eurasia was always at war with Eastasia


58 posted on 07/19/2024 6:29:48 PM PDT by SisterK (it's controlled demolition)
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To: ExpatCanuck

Stupidity.


59 posted on 07/19/2024 6:29:56 PM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: amnestynone

So “keep your friends close and your enemies closer”
You can never trust Russia Start there


60 posted on 07/19/2024 6:31:40 PM PDT by griswold3 (Truth, Beauty and Goodness. )
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