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Explain WhyWe Are We Even Adversaries With Russia?
Self | 07/19/2024 | Self

Posted on 07/19/2024 5:37:32 PM PDT by ExpatCanuck

Russia supports our adversaries because we still treat Russia as our adversary. A change in policy could change the global world order overnight. China and Islamists are our true enemies.


TOPICS: History; Religion; Society
KEYWORDS: nato; putinpuffershatefr; putinsacommie; russia; stupidvanity; vanity
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To: ealgeone

Stalin was long dead by the end of the Cold War.


21 posted on 07/19/2024 5:54:12 PM PDT by alternatives?
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To: Ciaphas Cain
“Russia as a culture is afraid of invasion. “

That is exactly what libs said during the cold war. Russia is a predatory and aggressive power which looks at the rest of the world t (including us) through gun sights. They know full well what is going on and they are not a defensive power.

22 posted on 07/19/2024 5:55:35 PM PDT by amnestynone (We are asked by people who do not tolerate us to tolerate the intolerable in the name of tolerance.)
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To: ExpatCanuck

” been supporting our enemies because we’re treating Russia as enemies. Duh.”

No they really are our enemies. Your point is absurd.


23 posted on 07/19/2024 5:57:11 PM PDT by amnestynone (We are asked by people who do not tolerate us to tolerate the intolerable in the name of tolerance.)
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To: ExpatCanuck

I hear it was because the 80’s called and they wanted their foreign policy back.

I’m half surprised, but probably shouldn’t be that Trump, or someone hasn’t thrown that quip back into their faces.


24 posted on 07/19/2024 5:57:43 PM PDT by Kommodor (Solzhenitsyn was an optimist...)
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To: Petrosius
Russia is no less "expansionist" than the U.S. They just do it in the open.

The biggest blunder the U.S. has made in foreign policy matters over the last 35 years is that we have effectively turned Russia from a European nation into an Asian one. This was entirely unnecessary and cannot possibly be justified.

25 posted on 07/19/2024 5:59:22 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (“Ain't it funny how the night moves … when you just don't seem to have as much to lose.”)
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To: ExpatCanuck

Ever read Starship Troopers?
Even when the entirety of mankind is united humans Still need an enemy to keep us going.
Even it’s a bunch of bugs on a distant planet..


26 posted on 07/19/2024 6:00:40 PM PDT by mowowie
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To: ExpatCanuck
"A change in policy could change the global world order overnight."

It was tried many times...


27 posted on 07/19/2024 6:01:31 PM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Kommodor

It’s the Jooz. The ones from Eastern Europe. Suffered. Made money here. Payback.


28 posted on 07/19/2024 6:01:51 PM PDT by DIRTYSECRET
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To: ExpatCanuck

Interestingly, the US and Russia have never been at war with each other.


29 posted on 07/19/2024 6:02:29 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: ExpatCanuck

Because of Russian collusion, and Russian interference in our elections...or so said Obama and the RATS.


30 posted on 07/19/2024 6:02:33 PM PDT by mass55th (“Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway.” ― John Wayne)
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To: piasa

You’re missing the entire point. Why do you perceive their leadership as evil? Don’t you think they perceive our leadership as evil? I don’t know if modern day Russia is behind the Marxist based ideologies that have gained ground in the USA Today. They certainly were during the Cold War and the seeds they sowed in our community have borne the fruit of modern day leftist extremism in the USA. The irony is that the sowers of those seeds (Soviet marxists) are virtually extinct. There are more communists today in America than there are in Russia.


31 posted on 07/19/2024 6:02:35 PM PDT by ExpatCanuck
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To: ExpatCanuck

Who was elected in America’s first presidential election after the Cold War ended? Which party was in charge of foreign policy for 8 years after? Which president succeeded those 8 years and kept the same foreign policy wonks in charge?


32 posted on 07/19/2024 6:02:56 PM PDT by jjotto ( Blessed are You LORD, who crushes enemies and subdues the wicked.)
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To: Reno89519

The Russian mindset was set under the czars. The mentality was not one that could understand western concepts right after WW2. They are reverting back to their roots with Putin as their Czar.


33 posted on 07/19/2024 6:04:03 PM PDT by Mark was here (When Gabby Giffords was shot, Democrats were laughing on NPR, wishing it was Sarah Palin.)
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To: ExpatCanuck

We pushed privatization of state assets in the 90s in a way that helped create the kleptocrats and oligarchs. Putin benefitted but I can’t imagine it endeared us to the common people.

You would think that Russia might see itself as part of the West, standing against Muslim aggression and Chinese expansion.

But for all the aristocrats spoke French, Russia has never seen itself as part of the West but as something apart and deeper. Mother Russia means something to them, even as Putin dilutes it with Muslims.


34 posted on 07/19/2024 6:04:07 PM PDT by heartwood (Someone has to play devil's advocate.)
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To: ExpatCanuck

We are, which is why we are universally despised except by the clients who make a fortune off of our deep state making a fortune off of the taxpayers who are so unpatriotic that they complain about the forever war globalist system.


35 posted on 07/19/2024 6:05:31 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: ExpatCanuck

And my point is Russia works with our enemies because Russia is an enemy. No one forced them to be international villains.


36 posted on 07/19/2024 6:08:34 PM PDT by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: ExpatCanuck

Very simple.
Fear of personal freedom.


37 posted on 07/19/2024 6:08:40 PM PDT by rellic (rough)
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To: ExpatCanuck

It’s because the filthy democrats have used them as a whipping boy and political weapon against Trump. Russia should be a natural ally but dem scum poisoned that well.


38 posted on 07/19/2024 6:08:51 PM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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To: ExpatCanuck

The historian Arnold Toynbee said that the ruling class needs an internal and external proletariat to maintain power. Preferably the two should have features that make them undesirable.

The internal proletariat for the American ruling class is “little people of flyover country”, whether that be some Black guy in our urban centers or some White guy out in the country. MAGA especially fits the role of an internal proletariat.

An external proletariat should be a country our group of countries businesses don’t have too much connection with and thus not a whole lot for the ruling class to lose by making them an enemy.

China wouldn’t fit for this reason.

The external proletariat should also have a feature rulers can identify as evil or undesirable.

Russia fits this bill perfectly. We aren’t heavily invested in Russia plus most of them are White and therefore supposedly racist.


39 posted on 07/19/2024 6:09:47 PM PDT by packagingguy
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To: ExpatCanuck
We've always been at war with East Asia...er, Russia.


40 posted on 07/19/2024 6:10:35 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (“When exposing a crime is treated like a crime, you are being ruled by criminals” – Edward Snowden)
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