Ukraine, partners should develop action plan on Peace Formula within few months to stop Russian aggression

But the assumption is that Russia is the USSR & Putin is Stalin reincarnated. I think they assumption that Putin will continue westward is unfounded, especially in light of his trouble of securing a quick & decisive victory, if indeed those were ever really his intentions.

He has often said Ukraine mostly likely would prefer to be ruled by its government.

The best insurance for him to live up to his statements was to get involved to resolve the issues he had. But that was never done. Trump got impeached for even asking Zelenskyy if he would look into the matter of Biden in Ukraine for demanding the firing of the prosecutor Viktor Shokin. So he backed off of the Ukraine issue, but Putin made no overtures of invading Ukraine either.

Shortly after the invasion began, Zelenskyy and Putin had come to an agreement where Russia would return back to Ukraine all land they occupied, other than the Crimea which they considered to not only be a matter of national security, but that was rightfully Russian territory. Acquired, not from Ukraine, but from the Ottoman Empire. All Putin required of Ukraine in return was for Ukraine to remain neutral and not join NATO.

But then along came Boris Johnson and convinced Zelenskyy not to make peace with Russia, because Russia could not be trusted.

A brief history of the Crimea would be that is was inhabited by the Cimmerians, a nomadic tribe, around 1000 BCE. Later, the Scythians, a nomadic people, conquered the region. The Greeks established colonies along the Crimean coast, and the Romans later took control. The region was then conquered by the Kievan Rus’ state, a medieval East Slavic state.

In the 13th century, the Crimean Khanate, a vassal state of the Golden Horde, a branch of the Mongol Empire, emerged. The Crimean Khanate became a power in its own right, claiming territory in what is today Russia’s Caspian-Volga region. In the 15th century, the Crimean Khanate became a vassal state of the Ottoman Empire, a vast and powerful state that stretched from the Middle East to Eastern Europe.

In 1783, the Russian Empire annexed Crimea, and the region became a major military base for the Russian Navy. The Crimean War (1853-1856) was fought between Russia and an alliance of the Ottoman Empire, France, Britain, and Sardinia, with the war ending in defeat for Russia.

After the Russian Revolution, Crimea became part of the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic.

It was Nikita Khrushchev who gifted the Crimean to Ukraine in 1954. Khrushchev was anti-Bolshevik, while never officially married, had lived his entire life with a Ukrainian woman, from the Donbas region, who bore his three children, Khrushchev shocked the entire world when he denounced Stalin for his crimes, & launched a de-Stalinization policy following the death of long-time leader Joseph Stalin in 1953. He himself was ousted in 1964 due to his policies, but was spared death because of his previous popularity.

One last thing to consider is how this Biden administration & the Obama administration have lied about and vilified Russia & Putin with propaganda. An easy sale after our decades long Cold War with the USSR.

Your whole premise is based solely upon propaganda, and there is nothing that you can point to that unequivocally provides proof that the intention was to take Ukraine and to then continue the westwardly march across Europe. That was just fear mongering employed to play upon the fears of our citizens to generate support for the vile & evil plot to make Ukraine the vassal state of the United States.

We have been living in the illusion created by the crooks of both political parties who figured out how to capture the nation for their own personal enrichment, while screwing over the average American citizen. Citizens who had no real aspirations to become influential, but rather just live their lives in peace as they raised their families, and provide for them as best as they could.

You need to wake up to that reality & realize the riches that come from making Ukraine the vassal state of the criminals controlling this nation. Not only does Ukraine have vast quantities of natural resources worth trillions, it also provides a wonderfully operated money laundering operation that can be used to enrich themselves via the Treasury of the bloated leviathan they have also created. Once the Ukraine war does come to and end, the American taxpayers will be presented the new bill for the rebuilding of Ukraine, while out nation continues to crumble. The criminals will be enriched by kickbacks from Black Rock who has made agreements with Ukraine in the rebuilding projects.

Another way the enrich themselves is with continuous wars that not only fails to provide this nation with security, but actually makes the world far more unstable ensuring that more wars will crop up to justify addition involvement on this nations part. They get not only kickbacks, but also from stock investments they bought knowing that an upcoming war was being planned. After all, they have established the U.S. as the world's policemen/protectors though various agreements and pacts sold as guarantees to provide security & stability to the American public. You know like NATO along with our guarantees to protect Taiwan & other nations that are not our nation. All designed to profit off of the military-industrial complex.

This is supposed to be an awakening process, but some people, sadly enough, still do not see the scam, even though they realize that our government seems to be counterproductive on numerous levels.

Some blame Democrats, while others blame Republicans. Women blame men, straights blame gays while gays blame the straight people, anti-religious blame the religious & vice versa.

In reality that is all part of the plan to sow division and create the distraction that places the blame elsewhere other than where it actually belongs, on the criminals who have captured control of the nation.

Wake up man. The proof is that noting changes regardless which party is given control, and we have been living in the illusionary Matrix they have created to keep us blaming each other as being the problem, as I stated, to deflect from where the problem is actually coming from.

When I say this to people they accuse me of hating the U.S. Nothing could be further from the truth. I love this nation for what it once was, but it's no longer what it once was.

Join those who are trying to return this nation back to what made it great, while removing forever what made it a contradiction to the founding fathers true vision, to provide the citizens the freedom to control their own destinies based solely upon their abilities. Where the citizens controlled their government, not the other way around. Law-and-Order was to be employed to control citizen behaviors, or rather misbehaviors, according to the norms/morals established by the various peoples that lived within those smaller areas of local divisional control, that again would be controlled by the citizens of those smaller areas, as long as they fell within the dictates laid out in the U.S. Constitution and her amendments, of which the first 10 were called The Bill of Rights. These rights do not come from the Constitution, but are recoined as being from the creator himself. The Constitution merely codifies those rights emanating from the creator as what will be the rights accepted in the Constitution.

But the assumption is that Russia is the USSR & Putin is Stalin reincarnated.

Some may have made that assumption but not I. I think of Putin as an old-fashioned Russian nationalist of the Tsarist stripe. For years he has spoken of Ukraine as a made-up country, that recognizing its independence was Lenin's mistake. Putin is not alone in this way of thinking; many other Russians have voiced their opinion that Ukraine is really just a part of Russia.

I am afraid that you lose all credibility with this remark. It has been well documented that there was no agreement. Among the demands of the Russians were the following:

Russia did not agree to withdraw from Donbas.
Russia would be one of the guaranteeing powers and that the guaranteeing powers could not intervene without unanimous consent. This would have given Russia veto power over any intervention.
Ukraine would have to reduce its armed forces to 85,000 men.
The Ukrainian government would have to be "denazified." In other words, a pro-Russian government would have to be installed.

No Ukrainian government would have agreed to such terms. Nor was an agreement scuttled by Boris Johnson. Zelensky said that he wanted an agreement after Johnson's visit. What scuttled the talks was the revelation of the Bucha massacre; and it was Putin who first stated that talks could not continue. On the other hand, Zelensky had agreed to Ukrainian neutrality and no NATO before Putin invaded. He rejected it because he wanted Ukrainian land.

Some may have made that assumption but not I. I think of For years he has spoken of Ukraine as a made-up Putin as an old-fashioned Russian nationalist of the Tsarist stripe.country, that recognizing its independence was Lenin's mistake. Putin is not alone in this way of thinking; many other Russians have voiced their opinion that Ukraine is really just a part of Russia.

Different parts of the area that is today Ukraine were invaded and occupied in the 1st millennium BCE by the Cimmerians, Scythians, and Sarmatians and in the 1st millennium CE by the Goths, Huns, Bulgars, Avars, Khazars, and Magyars (Hungarians). Slavic tribes settled there after the 4th century. Kyiv was the chief town. The Mongol conquest in the mid-13th century decisively ended Kyivan power.

From the 14th to the 18th century, portions of Ukraine were ruled by Lithuania, Poland, and Russia. In addition, Cossacks controlled a largely self-governing territory known as the Hetmanate. Most of Ukraine fell to Russian rule in the 18th century.

In consequence, by the Treaty of Perpetual Peace, signed in 1686, the eastern portion of Ukraine (east of the Dnieper River) was to come under Russian rule, 146,000 rubles were to be paid to Poland as compensation for the loss of right-bank Ukraine.

Following the Partitions of Poland (1772–1795) and the Russian conquest of the Crimean Khanate, the Russian Empire and Habsburg Austria were in control of all the territories that constitute present-day Ukraine for over a hundred years. Ukrainian nationalism developed in the 19th century.

A chaotic period of warfare ensued after the Russian Revolutions of 1917, as well as, a simultaneous war in the former Kingdom of Galicia and Lodomeria following the dissolution of the Habsburg monarchy after World War I. The Soviet–Ukrainian War (1917–1921) followed, in which the Bolshevik Red Army established control in late 1919. The Ukrainian Bolsheviks, who had defeated the national government in Kiev, established the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, which on 30 December 1922 became one of the founding republics of the Soviet Union. Initial Soviet policy on the Ukrainian language and Ukrainian culture made Ukrainian the official language of administration and schools. Policy in the 1930s turned to Russification.

Vladimir Lenin, the leader of the Bolshevik Revolution, had a complex and evolving stance on Ukraine’s independence. While Lenin initially supported Ukrainian independence, his views shifted over time, and he ultimately recognized Ukraine as a part of the Soviet Union.

Ukraine's existence was short lived under Lenin, who was not the Tsar of Russia. It lasted only until the Bolshevik Revolution had triumphed in Ukraine. So, I question your statement regarding his blaming Lenin for recognizing Ukraine, because at best his recognition of Ukraine was what is often called a head fake rather than an act of sincerity. The reality is that Ukraine was under the control of the USSR.

So, in hundreds of years of that landmass being occupied by one or more tribes, nations or empires. It's total existence as a sovereign nation was for a total of 5 years of the majority of the landmass regarding Lenin's recognition, and then an additional 20 years, of the entire landmass (Crimea no more), through out the long history preceding & in-between those brief periods.

They could have remained under control of that landmass had it no been from interference by us & NATO.

First with the color-revolution started after Viktor Yanukovych had signed the Russian trade agreement and rejecting the EU trade agreement, both of which he had intended to sign until the EU found out that was his intention and threatened to retract their trade agreement if signed the Russian trade agreement.

He decided right there he was not going to sign the EU agreement, because he said that it was like the bride arriving at the church only to be presented a nuptial agreement to sign.

He had agreed to hold elections early to proceed with a lawful orderly transition of power. Instead they chose to run him out of Ukraine. That then provoked Putin's response concerning the Crimea.

He was so possessed to reconstitute that he waited 8 years to start that that desired goal.

In the meantime, Putin wasted the opportunity to execute a quick execution of that effort trying in vain to work out a peaceful resolution to the issues he was concerned about involving the national security of Russia, which is what a good president does to protect his nation that he leads.

Minsk I followed by Minsk II were crafted to defuse the situation. ,p> Angela Merkle then outright stated that the Minsk agreements were only signed to buy time to train & arm the Ukraine military. \

The only reason for doing so is that the desired outcome would be the proxy war. A war they wanted with the goal being top attrite Russia militarily & to send Russia into financial ruination, while doing deep damage to Ukraine for the backend expectations of financial gains for the criminals in control of our nation taking control of the vassal nation of Ukraine and the rebuilding effort.

But in reality, you too have used the propaganda. Russian control has been the longest of that landmass. You have allowed our trials & tribulations with the evil USSR, to be transferred to Putin & Russia. Now I am not saying that Russia or Putin are angels, I'm saying that this administration coupled with the Uni-party are a criminal enterprise, and as such are a far greater threat to this nation than Russia is.

Wake up man to the realities, and start to recognize the propaganda for what it actually is, and who presents the real threat to all of us.

You are unwittingly aiding & abetting the bigger threat to this nation.

Ukrainian nationalism developed in the 19th century.…

You are confusing nation with statehood. Although ruled by other powers, Ukrainian nationalism can trace back all the way to Kyivan Rus. After the Mongol invasion in the 13th century an independent Ukrainian state existed in the west. It was conquered by the Poles in the 14th century but the Ukrainians rose up against the Poles in the 17th century. This would lead to the formation of the Cossack Hetmanate with the Treaty of Pereiaslav with Russia in 1654. This was a treaty for Russian protection with the Hetmanate as autonomous dependency of the Tsar ruled by its own Hetman. This lasted until it was abolished by Catherine the Great between 1764 and 1781.

Ukraine gained independence again in 1917 with the fall of the Tsar. Although it was conquered again by the Soviets in 1922, Lenin was forced to recognize the Ukrainian nation as distinct from the Russian. Thus the creation of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, with Ukraine as a founding member on equal terms with Russia, and not part of it, within the union. According to the Soviet constitution, Ukraine had the right to secede from the union. This provision is what Putin has termed as "Lenin's mistake." Ukraine again gained independence in 1991.

Thus in all of its history, Ukraine was ruled as a part of Russia proper for only 136 years. In all of this time the Ukrainian people existed as a nation separate from both the Poles and the Russians. Putin and many other Russians, however, refuse to accept this and continue to think of Ukraine as rightly part of Russia. And this is the cause of this war; not NATO expansion or any of the other bogus reasons that Putin gives. He though that under a weak Biden he could easily overrun the country and reestablish Russian rule. This provision is what Putin has termed "Lenin's mistake."

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.