Posted on 06/19/2024 7:01:22 AM PDT by ksm1
I've been on FR since the Bush years, first as a lurker and then more active during Obama and the initial Tea Party movement. Throughout that time, there always has been active and for the most part respectful debate on FR, that sometimes got a bit heated but we all basically wanted the same thing for the country, even if it meant different ways to get there.
With the Trump years, I was skeptical of Trump at first in 2016 since he was an unknown, but then he won me over when he was actually President. You can find my posts from his years in office where I defended him. That said - there was enough left on the table, like a number of bad hires who kept undermining him, that I wanted to see a competitive primary and a candid discussion on both his record and what would be different this time around if he gets the nod.
Well that's when things got weird. We never had that discussion. It just became a yelling match, and if I wanted to do that, I'd just go join those Palestine weirdos on college campuses. No thanks.
Guys, Bob Good had an excellent 100% conservative voting record. Trump primaried him for his one and only crime which was endorsing DeSantis, even though after the primary, Bob Good came to visit Trump during his trial in NYC.
This isn't giving me any confidence that Trump has learned from his mistakes of bad hires and bad endorsements. We should have completely dominated the 2022 midterms but a number of bad endorsements sabotaged us. Dr. Oz? Seriously? Yes Arizona had some shady things with their election, but there were a bunch of other cases where Trump endorsed a weak candidate - OR, he's been backing people who DO win and then vote RINO when it counts. We can't keep saying "we want better people in Congress" and then let things like this slide.
Why I care: the grassroots activist right has always played an important role. I saw during the Bush years on FR that we'd organize campaigns to write letters to Congress to push for our values. Same during the Obama years, which is how we prevented Obama from doing a lot of gun grabbing and so forth. There was minimal of that during the Trump years. It was just "trust the plan". This isn't helpful. Politics was meant to be an active process that citizens participate in. During the Trump years, it seemed to turn into just a spectator sport. That's not how this is supposed to work.
Is this really what we want, no real political power because we actively are pushing RINOs into office to replace conservatives, but at least we "own the libs" with snarky internet remarks? Is this really the best we can do? And look, I know the left is unfairly attacking Trump, but Trump or ANY Republican needs to get pressured from the right as well, so he actually does what we want. I know the left is going to attack Trump, or anyone to the right of Rachel Maddow for that matter, but it's really getting frustrated that any pressure for accountability *from the right* is dismissed or actively trolled.
Bob Good shouldn't have even been in a competitive race. He was as solid as they get. This is getting ridiculous.
Thanks for the link.
Yeah how can he save America if he doesn’t endorse Bob what’s his name?
Screw off.
Trump needs to win. You and Bob have fun together.
Well said.
If you go back to questionaire that Tucker Carlson sent to all the potential Republican candidates before he was fired from Fox you will see that DeSantis did not cave on Ukraine. He answered the Ukraine question almost exactly the same way that Trump did. Their answers were essentially interchangable. Trump’s answer was on the condition of Putin cooperating and he clearly stated that.
The Dems’ lawfare against Trump made it impossible to reject Trump’s bid for the ’24 nomination - and it seems to me that Trump seriously tried to accomplish what he promised - and that but for the Electoral College loss in ’20, he would have accomplished peace in the Middle East. But of course the Nobel Peace Prize Committee beclouded itself in ’09 by preemptively awarding the prize to Obama before he had done anything at all, so naturally it didn’t award the prize to Trump.It is a fact that, with the unfortunate help of Jeff Sessions, the Hillarycrats had free run to embattle Trump with their frauds.
Perforce SCOTUS is gonna have to do some heavy lifting, and the Democrats are funding propaganda against the law by ads insinuating that any court result not unfavorable to
TrumpRepublican electoral chances would delegitimate all Republicans on SCOTUS.The underlying reality is that “campaign finance reform” law is illegitimate. CFR depends for its legitimacy on the same fatuous notion underlying the (unanimous!) NYT v. Sullivan Warren Court decision in ’64 which has inhibited libel suits ever since. That decision turned wire service journalism decisively into the Establishment in American politics. It flies in the face of antitrust law. In 1776 Adam Smith wrote that “People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or some contrivance to raise prices.”
Do journalists “meet together” much? All members of the AP, or subscribers to any other wire Service, are in continual virtual meetings with each other. The very name “Associated Press” should give everyone a clue. The business of journalism is the attracting of attention and gaining the trust of the public. ”Interesting the public” is a different thing than “the public interest.” Wave off the “campaign finance reform” laws and you wave off all those “felony counts” they tarred Trump with. And all “campaign finance reform” laws fly in the face of the rights of anyone who does not (at the moment) own a press which is enumerated in CFR law as being a legitimate press. But under 1A anyone has the right to buy a press and ink and paper - and the term press in 1A covers all electronic and digital communication as well, unless no one has a right to use such.
“No news is good news,” because good news “isn’t news.” Not counting the end of WWII - but that happened eight decades ago . . .
The result is that wire Service journalism is a trust dedicated to criticism of politicians for not helping people enough - that is to say, dedicated to leftist politics.
It is nice to hear from you, sir.
I think the same thing-it may be that nobody can save this country now, and your analogy is a good one.
It does highlight the fact that surrendering now by voting for a candidate who will absolutely speed that failure timeline up is still inferior to voting for a candidate who will either stave it off, or elongate that failure timeline.
We get it. You hate Trump.
If you’re hating on Trump and his candidates, you’re loving on liberals, RINOs and Democrats.
And then when Trump goes and does this stuff, he makes it about him and not about the good of the party or the country.
I mean, for cryin' out loud, Trump had previously endorsed Mitt Romney, Susan Collins, and John McCain!
Maybe he didn’t support Trump because he didn’t like adding $8T to the national debt by a guy that caved on every budget submitted to him? Maybe he didn’t like Trump feeding the swamp? Or maybe he wanted someone that hadn’t turned their presidency over to several HHS bureaucrats, all the while hawking death jabs brought to the citizenry at “warp speed”? Maybe he wanted somebody he could trust to truly support the Second Amendment and not praise Diane Feinstein’s “assault weapons” stance or ban bumpstocks?
BS. He walked back on calling it a civil war. He didn't change his policy positions.
Meanwhile, Trump said he'd win the war in 24 hours by giving Ukraine everything that Zelenski asks for.
Then why did he cast the decisive vote in a 7-6 House committee vote last year to approve the Biden-McCarthy deal to raise the debt limit? He could have stopped that deal in its tracks.
I understand Massie quite well. It’s YOU who seems to have some kind of illusions about him.
Except DeSantis’s “flip-flop” brought him into alignment with Trump’s stated policy which was predicated on the condition of Putin cooperating with him. That’s some firm stance on Trump’s part. LOL
You’re missing the point. Trump has endorsed other DeSantis supporters.
Good is being punished for being in the chaos caucus of 8.
I don't think so. I believe Trump supports Gaetz, Biggs, Crane and Burchett.
What I now think is most likely is that Trump doesn't want a leader of the Freedom Caucus who will fold on lawfare.
The national debt is irrelevant at this point. Trump knew that in 2016. He is basically bankrupting the Federal Reserve, A private bank. He has known all along that we are moving to a new monetary system so he could care less about the monopoly game.
Trump didn’t “hawk” the vaxx. He brought one in early to stop the planned 10 year lock down and genocide that would have happened. He said it was up to each person to decide if they wanted a vaxx or not. A lot of people have died but not on the scale that would have happened if Trump didn’t initiate warp speed.
Do you have a rubber band and a belt loop? Good you’ve got a functioning bump stock.
This game we are playing isn’t for sissies. Its for all the marbles. Over the fence is out. And Bob Good went over the fence. He’s out.
Ok...
All I can do at this point is relay my journey to you.
I gave up on people that call themselves “conservative” way back in time. I gave it up for good during the Tea Party days when the biggest backstabbers were those that called themselves “conservative”.
Most of your Rino’s call themselves “conservative”.
What I became can probably be called a strict constitutionalist. In order to be called this, you must realize a few things;
The constitution is not a liberal document.
The constitution is not a conservative document.
The constitution is designed to piss everyone off at one time or another.
This makes you pay attention.
Keeps you on your toes.
Stop voting for conservatives.
Vote for constitutionalists.
DeSantis largely ignored mass censorship, election security and the Floridian J6ers rotting in the gulag during six nationally televised debates
Tell us how ignoring historic lawlessness and disorder is conservative?
I wonder what the cumulative drop in IQ across FR was after reading your post?
Yes, for the most part that’s what happened.
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