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Bombshells From Warren Buffett Shock Investors: Why did he sell so much of his biggest holding - Apple?
Summa Money ^
| 05/06/2024
| G O’FIACHRA
Posted on 05/10/2024 9:29:11 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
If you haven’t tuned into the annual Berkshire Hathaway shareholder meeting to see highlights, a certain moment is grabbing headlines but another more nuanced one is where your attention should go.
The most poignant moment of the day was when Warren turned to his new right-hand man Greg Able but invited former lieutenant Charlie Munger for his views. The simple question “Charlie?” was enough to melt hearts as it became clear the one-two punch duo of Charlie and Warren that had been a staple of these Woodstock for Capitalists meetings for decades still lived on in Warren, and is a habit that will be hard to break.
That clip is the one that has gone viral for the obvious emotional tug but another comment by Buffett should be reverberating around the world because it has enormous consequences to your wealth.
Key Points
- Warren Buffett heartfelt invitation to ask Charlie Munger to comment stole the spotlight at the Berkshire Hathaway meeting, showcasing their enduring partnership even after Charlie’s passing.
- Buffett’s decision to sell Apple stock for tax reasons reveals his anticipation of future tax hikes, emphasizing the financial benefits of selling now over waiting.
- Selling Apple reflects Buffett’s strategy to build cash reserves, enabling him to capitalize on future market opportunities, echoing his actions during the 2008-09 financial crisis.
The Frightening Thing Buffett Said
At one point during the meeting Buffett was asked why did you sell so much Apple? He went on a rambling explanation that at the time seemed a little disjointed but when you arrived at the conclusion it was clear he was sewing various themes together to explain precisely why he sold Apple.
The short answer is Buffett claims to have sold Apple for tax reasons. It’s a remarkable statement in light of his usual criteria to buy and sell based on company reasons not tax ones but to peel back the layers of the onion reveals the full story.
Buffett made it clear during his initial soliloquy that the current fiscal situation is simply untenable. Taxes will rise, he stated bluntly. By selling Apple now, Berkshire Hathaway can pocket more of its share of the proceeds and pay the government less than will be the case in the future, in his estimation.
Now here’s the kicker that most people overlook. The gains in Apple that Buffett forecasts are not going to eclipse the differential tax liability. Or in other words, Buffett either thinks Apple won’t go up so much from here versus the difference Berkshire pockets in what it keeps now versus later when tax hikes are factored in.
To keep the math simple. Imagine that Buffett believes at the 21% rate now that $1 billion in gains results in $210 million to Berkshire and $790 million to Berkshire. In the future, if taxes rise to 30%, Berkshire keeps $700 million and Uncle Sam gets $300 million. So the differential the company loses in its cash pile by not selling now is $90 million.
If Buffett held the shares for longer, he doesn’t expect them to go up far enough to offset the increase in tax liability hike. So clearly he thinks taxes are going to go up by more than that proportion of his Apple share ownership.
What’s The Takeaway?
Buffett had another takeaway in his discussion on the topic which is raising cash now is a priority because he expects a calamity at some point just as the 2008-09 market led to massive opportunities.
He also expressed some regret that he didn’t handle that situation as well as he could, a remarkable statement given how he snapped up huge positions in Goldman Sachs, Bank of America and others at the time using a large cash hoard.
Clearly raising cash by selling Apple now and locking in higher percentage of the proceeds versus what Berkshire would capture later is more important to Buffett than whatever marginal gains are likely to accrue near-term.
The same strategy can be applied to the ordinary investors too. If sitting on massive capital gains and you expect taxes to rise too, and better prices to follow later, selling now and sitting tight for a crisis may well be among the smarter plays. But, like Buffett, only with a small percentage of the overall portfolio.
TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet; Society
KEYWORDS: apple; economy; stockmarket; warrenbuffet
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To: SeekAndFind
I suspect Apple is going under. Maybe not immediately but they’re on the way down and Buffett is bailing out to minimize his risk of loss.
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posted on
05/10/2024 9:30:36 AM PDT
by
MeganC
("Russians are subhuman" - posted by Kazan 8 March 2024)
To: MeganC
This is actually the second consecutive quarter that Berkshire’s largest position by market value has been pared down by the company’s brightest investment minds. The logic behind this recent selling likely has to do with corporate taxation.
Whereas the roughly 10 million shares of Apple sold during the fourth quarter were to offset select investment losses, the capital gains Buffett’s company recognized from selling 115 million shares of Apple in the first quarter may have to do with front-running fiscal policy changes in Washington, D.C.
At the moment, the peak federal corporate income tax rate is 21%. President Joe Biden has proposed increasing the peak rate to 28%. With higher tax rates likely in the future, Buffett has opined that investors won’t gripe about locking in gains now at a lower corporate tax rate.
Despite selling around 125 million shares of Apple, combined, over the previous two quarters, the Oracle of Omaha has made clear that it’s going to be a longtime holding for Berkshire Hathaway.
To: MeganC
Apple is going under just at the DOJ is suing them for having a monopoly on mobile phones.
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posted on
05/10/2024 9:37:06 AM PDT
by
Yo-Yo
(Is the /Sarc tag really necessary? Pray for President Biden: Psalm 109:8)
To: MeganC
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posted on
05/10/2024 9:40:50 AM PDT
by
Carriage Hill
(A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
To: Carriage Hill
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posted on
05/10/2024 9:43:21 AM PDT
by
MeganC
("Russians are subhuman" - posted by Kazan 8 March 2024)
To: SeekAndFind
It doesn’t matter what Buffet does. I watch what Pelosi and the rest of the corrupt Congress members trade.
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posted on
05/10/2024 9:43:52 AM PDT
by
Obadiah
To: MeganC
Buffet still says Apple is best company in the world and has a great future. He still owns $174 billion of it, or about 40% of Berkshire’s total value. That’s about four times bigger than Berkshire’s second-biggest public stock holding, Bank of America, and makes Berkshire the No. 2 Apple shareholder, behind only Vanguard.
This is a little pruning after a huge run, not a running away. Do you have 40% of your investments in one stock? If you do, you must think highly of it.
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posted on
05/10/2024 9:46:39 AM PDT
by
SaxxonWoods
(Are you ready for Black Lives MAGA? It's coming.)
To: SeekAndFind
Relax, it was only 13% of his largest position.
With the $billions in his portfolio it is prudent to redirect cash from your largest position when it has grown substantially, and growth is slowing, to allocate to areas of either greater return, or safety.
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posted on
05/10/2024 9:52:49 AM PDT
by
G Larry
(Biden Fundraising Failure: More advertising for rotting fish is unlikely to improve sales....)
To: SaxxonWoods
That was my understanding also, it grew to such a size that it was prudent to prune.
One can watch the whole 6.5+ hour event (starts at about 30 minutes in) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3wLdzddRtI
rather than trust that a ‘journalist’ would pick out the meaningful ‘highlights’ or ‘bombshells’ especially if they can’t even get the names right.
To: SeekAndFind
sound like buffet thinks the current market top will soon be a market drop due to the bidenistas’ MASSIVE proposed tax increase ...
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posted on
05/10/2024 9:57:07 AM PDT
by
catnipman
(A Vote For The Lesser Of Two Evils Still Counts As A Vote For Evil)
To: SaxxonWoods
“Do you have 40% of your investments in one stock?”
Depends on what’s going on. In 2020 Carnival Cruises was undervalued and I had 50% of my portfolio in it. I bought part at $8.25 and I made another purchase at $7.70.
I sold it all when it hit $25.
My other fortunate move was being an early protester buying GameStop in September 2019 and holding it. It was like $1.25 at the time. I sold most of it at $50 while keeping my original capital invested in it.
Right now the only thing I’m really into is US Gold Corp. and it looks good for now. I bought it mostly because it’s creating jobs in Wyoming.
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posted on
05/10/2024 10:03:51 AM PDT
by
MeganC
("Russians are subhuman" - posted by Kazan 8 March 2024)
To: MeganC
Apple has attached itself to China and then has doubled down.
That is a very dangerous strategy in today’s world.
To: ModelBreaker
“That is a very dangerous strategy in today’s world.”
I agree. If China attacks and invades Taiwan then China and everything in China will be sanctioned and that includes everything Apple produces in China. That alone is why I will not buy any stocks that are exposed to risk from sanctions.
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posted on
05/10/2024 10:06:25 AM PDT
by
MeganC
("Russians are subhuman" - posted by Kazan 8 March 2024)
To: G Larry
“With the $billions in his portfolio it is prudent to redirect cash from your largest position when it has grown substantially, and growth is slowing, to allocate to areas of either greater return, or safety.”
Yep - they call that “rebalancing”.
It’s an attempt to beat the market (buy and hold).
Its drawback is that you have to beat the market by more than the tax rate - very, very tough to do over the long run - , since you’re paying capital gains taxes on the winners you sold. Might work better in an IRA. Still questionable that it’s better than buy and hold.
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posted on
05/10/2024 10:28:16 AM PDT
by
aquila48
(Do not let them make you "care" ! Guilting you is how they control you. )
To: SeekAndFind
So saving on capital gains taxes. I thought ole Warren wanted to pay more taxes.
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posted on
05/10/2024 11:31:36 AM PDT
by
pas
To: MeganC
Apple just announced they are buying back $110 Billion of their own shares
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posted on
05/10/2024 12:01:34 PM PDT
by
PMAS
(Vote with your wallets, there are 80 million of us - No China made, No Amazon)
To: Carriage Hill
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posted on
05/10/2024 12:18:24 PM PDT
by
Vaduz
To: MeganC
When Steve Jobs died the writing was on the wall for Apple. It’s been a dead man walking ever since.
To: MeganC
It helps to read the article.
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posted on
05/10/2024 2:22:48 PM PDT
by
Jacquerie
(ArticleVBlog.com)
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