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Two months after entering service, the Abrams tanks are now being withdrawn from the frontline. Five of the 31 tanks delivered last year have already been destroyed.

To begin with, it’s worth noting that the Ukrainians are not using the latest and best model of the M1A1. Some of the features that make the tank more durable and hard hitting have been removed to avoid them falling into Russian hands. (More good reading at the link}

1 posted on 04/27/2024 4:28:48 PM PDT by airdalecheif
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...all tanks are vulnerable on the thinly armored top.


2 posted on 04/27/2024 4:35:15 PM PDT by JJBookman (Democrats = Party of the end)
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Tanks and manned aircraft are beginning to look like the battleships of WWII. Obsolete and vulnerable. I expect artillery to meet the same fate, once enough drones on either side, of enough range, are placed into battle. Simple artillery is too big, too slow, too easily detected. It seems it is the artillery ammo dumps which are targeted the most, at present. When you have to move hundreds of thousands of artillery rounds, they are hard to hide.


3 posted on 04/27/2024 4:38:22 PM PDT by marktwain (The Republic is at risk. Resistance to the Democratic Party is Resistance to Tyranny. )
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That this article appears in the UK press is an interesting side to the “news.” Cheer-leading for a side — any side — only works for a while. Then the press has little choice but to set aside “narrative” for actual news. The comments posted under the article are interesting as well.
4 posted on 04/27/2024 4:40:22 PM PDT by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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I think you need air superiority to make these tanks viable.


5 posted on 04/27/2024 4:45:03 PM PDT by microgood
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our borders are beginning to look very vulnerable.

LOL. Did they mean America's borders?

Because I have news for ya.....

8 posted on 04/27/2024 4:53:45 PM PDT by PGR88
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A pretty good article. Two points: 1. The Abrams was designed to fight a defense in depth in West Germany, not punch through Soviet lines. 2. All tanks are most vulnerable on top, and tank commanders are trained to mitigate that weakness by moving as part of a combined arms unit.


9 posted on 04/27/2024 4:56:08 PM PDT by Thunder 6 (Panzer, los geht's!)
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All it takes is one routine drone strike to take out a 10 million dollar tank.

The Ukes have figured that out and have removed tanks from their battle plans.


12 posted on 04/27/2024 5:10:56 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (A truth that’s told with bad intent, Beats all the lies you can invent ~ Wm. Blake)
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Ukraine pulls US-provided Abrams tanks from the front lines over Russian drone threats

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-pulls-us-provided-abrams-232304130.html

13 posted on 04/27/2024 5:11:09 PM PDT by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
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Related Reading Regarding Tanks...

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14 posted on 04/27/2024 5:15:02 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (A truth that’s told with bad intent, Beats all the lies you can invent ~ Wm. Blake)
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17 posted on 04/27/2024 5:56:40 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (The worst thing about censorship is █████ ██ ████ ████ ████ █ ███████ ████. FJB.)
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It’s not “American” tanks; it’s all tanks. Weapons and tactics are always changing. Nothing new or shocking.


18 posted on 04/27/2024 5:57:01 PM PDT by Petrosius
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Everyone is finding our weakness now so that if this country ever has to fight a war then we start right out severely disadvantaged.


19 posted on 04/27/2024 5:59:52 PM PDT by Revel
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Nato’s American tanks

America's NATO tanks?

The NATO we mostly pay for and tanks we fully pay for?

How many Europeans countries' tanks are in Ukraine?

21 posted on 04/27/2024 6:06:47 PM PDT by Pollard ( )
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what about when somebody does an EMP ?


23 posted on 04/27/2024 6:12:20 PM PDT by A strike (There is no tyranny that cannot be justified by 'climate change')
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Guess our tanks perform better against some Middle Eastern fighters with no real air force or anything than they do Russia.


25 posted on 04/27/2024 6:52:03 PM PDT by Trump20162020
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No tank can withstand drone attacks. What they should do with them is bury them out of sight along the key roads that Russia will need to travel on in order to move forward.

And on a going forward basis, tanks should be unmanned drones. Reduce the size, armor, weight and cost. They will be expendable with no crew. And powered by AI.


27 posted on 04/27/2024 7:01:12 PM PDT by Brilliant
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Meanwhile, Iran showed that they have missiles that got through the Iron Dome and associated US, UK, etc. support. The anti-missile defenses that protect Israel are almost identical to those that protect South Korea, Japan, Europe, etc.

Iran, Russia, and China are buddying up, so they probably have missiles with similar capabilities.

Forget about tanks. We need to beef up our AMD.

29 posted on 04/27/2024 7:19:18 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear (Kafka was an optimist.)
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Anti-drone methods and systems will catch up - air, surface, and sub-sea levels.


31 posted on 04/27/2024 7:28:25 PM PDT by linMcHlp
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" Russia has found the critical vulnerability in Nato’s American tanks"

If you'll read the story you'll find the headline is blatantly deceptive. The "vulnerability" has nothing to do with the armor and everything to do with its employment. What they're claiming is as silly as criticizing airplanes because they don't make good submarines.

During WWI George Patton saw their potential and became one of the most vocal proponents of using armor as an independent maneuver element. He also said that fixed fortifications were monuments to the stupidity of man. So you can guess what he'd have said about using his tanks as pill boxes.

35 posted on 04/27/2024 8:09:17 PM PDT by Paal Gulli
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The vulnerability is an effective enemy.

/s


37 posted on 04/27/2024 9:27:59 PM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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