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Please, no politics. How do you explain this to your children and grandchildren?
1 posted on 04/21/2024 6:36:38 AM PDT by hardspunned
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To: hardspunned

Are you pretending Israel is paying nothing for its defense?


2 posted on 04/21/2024 6:38:56 AM PDT by Wuli ( )
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How do you do the same regarding Ukraine? No need to explain, the brainwashing of the youth is already happening.


3 posted on 04/21/2024 6:39:31 AM PDT by dforest
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To: hardspunned

Someone parse the sentence in this headline and make sense of it.


4 posted on 04/21/2024 6:41:50 AM PDT by stanne
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How much do you want to pay for oil? Because oil makes everything go up in price.

Without Israel providing an important balance against the rouge states in the Middle East the Suez Canal would be unsafe and the Persian Gulf would be a mess. That impacts the economies of Europe, the US, Japan, Korea, and China.

What we pay Israel is cheap compared to what instability in the area would cost us otherwise.


6 posted on 04/21/2024 6:43:14 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (Don’t vote for anyone over 70 years old. Get rid of the geriatric politicians.)
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The only foreign I would even think about supporting is helping a country out during a natural disaster


7 posted on 04/21/2024 6:44:55 AM PDT by escapefromboston (Peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none.)
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Bookmark.


10 posted on 04/21/2024 6:47:56 AM PDT by Jane Long (The role of the GOP: to write sharply-worded letters as America becomes a communist hell-hole.)
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To: hardspunned

Just like Ukraine “Aid”, and so many other scams to keep the Defense Contractors making $$$$, and laundering money for the Deep State.....


11 posted on 04/21/2024 6:51:44 AM PDT by traditional2 (lets go B*and*n)
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Don’t sweat the small stuff


12 posted on 04/21/2024 6:51:56 AM PDT by bert ( (KE. NP. +12) Hamascide is required in totality)
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To: hardspunned

How can Israel borrow from banks that are rooting for, or regulated by politicians who are rooting for, its destruction? Even pro-Israel lenders would want to be repaid. The Ukraine can finance a war with borrowed money that does not have to be repaid, thanks to Biden. No such luck for Israel.


13 posted on 04/21/2024 6:52:27 AM PDT by Socon-Econ (adi)
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i love the “why do we give to Israel” crowd, that somehow chooses Israel to complain about spending......
At least Israel provides some live-testing results of US weaponry to give back to the USA

how much did the Mueller investigation cost you?
whats the budget for the President’s Council on Sports, Fitness, and Nutrition and the countless other USELESS organizations?
How much do we spend on the UN?
Whats the budget for the Dept of Education? or HUD?

BILLIONS of dollars wasted on nothing.

just curious, why you question the spending on Israel?


14 posted on 04/21/2024 6:52:59 AM PDT by Jaysin (Trump can’t be beat, unless the democrats cheat)
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For some reason you never get your panties in a wad about the tens of billions in foreign aid we’ve sent to Egypt and Ethiopia and Afghanistan and slew of other nations. Your focus is solely on Israel. Why is that?

<< “Please, no politics.” >>

Lol, he says on a political forum. Your irrational hatred of Israel has rotted your brain.


16 posted on 04/21/2024 6:53:23 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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It’s pretty clear that the US government has been buying influence over Israel with all those billions. Lacking it, the Israelis would have been unfettered in its defensive wars with its Arab neighbors, and peace would have broken out in the region about a half century ago. Israelis, Arabs and US taxpayers would have all been better off. New Caliphate fantasists and anti-Semites would have been heartbroken.


17 posted on 04/21/2024 6:55:37 AM PDT by rightwingcrazy (;-,)
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To: hardspunned

The government of this country cares nothing for the bulk of the people within its borders. Only very specific and small groups within and without.

Transgenders appear to be one such example of the few people they actually care about.

The best way to understand our government, is to know that powerful entities may receive a very large benefit, in exchange for a relatively small amount spent on manipulating people, elections, politicians.
Blackmail, bribes, and Zuckerberg style election manipulation.

Now we have huge immigration to throw those once close elections forever it seems.

I wonder what are the next 10 things they already have secretly planned to spend 50 billion each on.


19 posted on 04/21/2024 6:57:36 AM PDT by Mount Athos
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First thing you need to understand is how Foreign Aid works. Once you grasp the concept of how the money flows out and back into the coffers of politicians you now have a complete understanding why someone wants to spend millions of begged money to get a position that pays $176,000 a year and they become multimillionaires in a matter of a couple of terms. Now to understand that concept you need to understand how shell companies work to shield this influx of cash where it does not reflect on the politician. Now you have the full circle.


20 posted on 04/21/2024 6:58:20 AM PDT by Slingwing
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About time someone gives a crap about their own Grandchildren. I am ashamed of the current lack of morality and those who are all in to throw their own Grandchildren under the bus. There is absolutely no moral and justifiable way to make a right out of all this wrong.


21 posted on 04/21/2024 6:58:48 AM PDT by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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Because we lost the 2020 election.

The R’s were going to pay for aid to Israel by cutting the IRS. We had the votes in the House of Representatives. This was back before all the resignations and before the vacating of the chair. But, we didn’t have the votes in the Senate and a veto awaited at the White House.

As frustrating as the last two years have been, see how fast this country turns into Venezuela if the Democrats take over this fall.


23 posted on 04/21/2024 7:07:55 AM PDT by Redmen4ever
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To: hardspunned

There is debate in Israel as whether they should accept aid from the US. In essence, the US gives a great deal of aid to Arab nations, and then sends a few billion more to Israel to be even-handed about it.


33 posted on 04/21/2024 7:20:34 AM PDT by Rockingham (`)
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While we disagree about virtually everything, this is a legitimate question.

Israel does pony up a huge fraction of their GDP for defense.

But still, each country (Ukraine, Europe, Taiwan, New Zealand, etc.) needs to be independently capable of defending themselves.

This military welfarism must stop.


42 posted on 04/21/2024 7:40:48 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (DEI = Didn't Earn It!)
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Politics aside, how do you explain that this argument is made regards Israel, 26 billion in the next aid package, and not Ukraine with 60 billion in this aid package?

How do we explain questioning aid to a nation where we actually have 3 formal defense agreements and a SOFA, but not one where we owe nothing?

How do we we explain questioning aid to a nation that actually was attacked on October 7 in what was an “unprovoked” act. But not in a war where we did antagonize the situation massively with our NATO East expansion, withdrawal from the ballistic missile treaty, stomping all over Russian aligned and allied nations (Iraq, Syria, Libya, Venezuela)???

How do you explain being worried about all this spending now, when we were throwing even more money at Ukraine in the begining the war in 2022 and 2023, in fact, people we’re bragging about it?

Sometimes, the mere questions asked, are intentionally meant to lead people in a certain direction. While I do not disagree with the question posed, it is funny that it is regards exactly that nation where if you want to construct a (moral/just war) argument for foreign military assistance, they would be it.

I tend to think that we are over extended and wasting our national wealth in what is trying to maintain an empire. But, I find it ironic that we only begin questioning the spending with Israel, which has shown a willingness to compromise in the past, which has elections and actually is a democracy and all those things we pretended Ukraine to be (which they are not).

Now suddenly America discovers the idea that maybe we need to control our debt, worry about our own problems, that in war you always get innocent victims and horrible mishaps.

Could it be, that when you censor all major Russian media, 40 of them, but have the Arab and Muslim voice very much so represented in western MSM, that this impacts perceptions?

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/4/21/us-house-passes-almost-100-billion-in-aid-for-ukraine-israel-what (glad that now how much we’re spending on war is a concern)

Isn’t it funny that even now, although 2/3rds of our aid goes to Ukraine, it’s the 1/3 to Israel we’re focusing on?

Where do you think more people died, Ukraine or Gaza?

Where do you think the world economy was impacted more, Ukraine or Gaza?

Perceptions in the West today are merely based on economic and political interests, which also control the MSM and big tech.

The Arabs have a huge media presence of their own. They are also very much so represented in the US and European MSM itself. Nations like Egypt, UAE, Jordan, Saudi Arabia are economically more important to us than Israel and they also carry a substantial clout in DC. The demographics are shifting and today you have a Muslim and Arab population in the US which is already impacting elections. Could it be, that perceptions and even what questions we ask, is highly dependent on the influence of the folks we’re talking about?


46 posted on 04/21/2024 7:48:43 AM PDT by Red6
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How about we cut out of the United Nations

I keep reading that we pay 12 billion per year to the United Nations

12 billion !!! Is this true !!!

12 billion per year. That’s where you start cutting back


47 posted on 04/21/2024 7:49:34 AM PDT by forYourChildrenVote4Bush
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