Posted on 04/03/2024 2:42:00 PM PDT by nickcarraway
And thus the age old disagreement. The Catholics get a special channel to exclude commenters from their chat while everyone else doesnt.
Honestly, won my wife in a pair of cutoffs, barefoot and a tattered tshirt and tanned dark and I smelled like like the lake. She’s been with me for a minute. She said I was OK looking..
Yall were young. It was the tan. 😎👍
“The Catholics get a special channel to exclude commenters from their chat while everyone else doesnt.”
That’s not true. Protestants use a Evangelical Caucus note here at FreeRepublic. Have you not noticed?
Example: https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/4228771/posts
Best wishes to both of them.
He looks really sharp.
"They come running just as fast as they can,
All the girls are crazy 'bout a sharp-dressed man..."
The haters never say what religion they are other than “evangelical” or a “Bible-based” faith, which could be anything. Catholics have a target on their backs because our church has been around for more than 2000 yrs and I’m sure mistakes have been made, especially with mere mortals in the hierarchy.
I mention that to my husband and sons to no avail. Except my oldest boy (30): he’s a fashion statement.
He speaks on an abstract level as well as on a concrete level. Fascinating ideas.
Young men I worked with find him fascinating.
Dump truck drivers excavators skilled trades men.
Quite false, roving - the Catholic Church is what Jesus left us (He left us a church, not a book)
the Apostles were NOT Sabbatarians - they worshipped the Lord on the Lord’s Day, the FIRST day of the week.
Paul writes that the Sabbath is a shadow of things to come, and that the substance is in Christ. It is clear from this text that Paul, like the Old Testament writers, considered all the Old Testament convocations as inseparable; indeed, in saying that all three are a mere shadow of things to come, he makes no distinction between the first two terms and the third. Paul concludes that the reality lies in Christ. The Greek literally reads: “but the body is of Christ,” meaning that all of our lives and all of our energies need to be submitted to Christ who is ever present to us and that the old covenant convocations such as the Sabbath are no longer binding.
In Paul’s letter to the Romans, written around 57–58, he says, “For one person considers one day more important than another, while another person considers all days alike. Let everyone be fully persuaded in his own mind. Whoever observes the day observes it to the Lord” (Rom. 14:5–6). The apostle is speaking here about the day which is being observed to the Lord, i.e., the day of worship. He notes that this is up to each person to decide. It must be noted, however, that Paul does not specifically mention the Sabbath here.
From these texts it seems clear that Paul considered Sabbath observance a matter of personal conviction that was not important in itself. Moreover, since Paul was presumably responding to the churches in Colossae, Galatia, and Rome about matters which concerned them, it seems clear that some Christians were worshiping on days other that Sabbath in Rome and in Asia Minor around 54–58.
John wrote his gospel in 80 to 90 AD - John wrote how the world had been symbolically created anew in Jesus. One implication of this is that with the passion, death, and resurrection of Christ one eternity had ended and another had begun. God could therefore abrogate an everlasting law and still not contradict himself.
There is widespread belief among Christian scholars that the institution of Sunday worship occurred in the apostolic or post-apostolic age in commemoration of the Resurrection.
"Upon the first day of the weekσαββατων let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come" (1 Cor. 16:2 AV).
The Corinthians were commanded by Paul to meet on the first of the week and have their tithes ready to be gathered each week.
The whole week is a heptad, a bundle of seven, a week of days, a "sabbath" of days, wherein the last day for Jews was set aside for rest from work. But the evenin of that last day is the first day of a new sabbath of days, hence it is also a (new) sabbath.
If you are a sabbatarian, avvording to the law you musy stay at home, go no place, and do no woek. But also if you wish to thus come inder the Law, you must obey the law, all of it, without fail. And doing so will send you to Hades/Hell in it in any way. You cannot be a Christian and be a sabbatarian.
No, they were asked by Paul lay in store their tithes so they would be ready when he arrived. No doubt to save time scurrying around for money and his time with them be spent more productively. Nothing in this text suggests any sacredness is attached to this day (more Catholic fabrication).
And doing so will send you to Hades/Hell in it in any way. You cannot be a Christian and be a sabbatarian.
Jesus was a Sabbatarian IF you believe the Word of God. Is He condemned to Hell for following the Law as He meant for us to do? Catholic nonsense.
Jesus wasn’t a Sabbatarian — . Jesus is the fulfillment of the Sabbath rest in the sense that only he can actualize the “rest” the Sabbath symbolized.
In Hebrews 10:1-26, we see movement toward tagging on the Church as fulfillment of all that was merely shadow in the Old Covenant and not just Jesus Christ in the abstract. And this makes sense only when we understand that “the Church” is the body of Christ, or Christ himself extended into the world (cf. Eph. 1:22-23).
For since the law has but a shadow of the good things to come, instead of the true form of those realities, it can never . . . make perfect those who draw near.
Therefore, brethren, since we have confidence to enter the sanctuary by the blood of Jesus, by the new and living way which he opened for us through the curtain, that is, through his flesh, and since we have a great high priest over the house of God, let us draw near with a true heart in the full assurance of faith, with our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water . . . not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some. . . . For if we sin deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins (Heb. 10:1; 19-22, 25-26).
As Christians, we “enter into the sanctuary” through baptism—bodies washed with pure water—and the Eucharist—his flesh—thus enters the necessity of the Church.
Christ perfectly observed the Sabbath as he did all of the old covenant. However, after he enunciated a new covenant at the Last Supper, his emphasis seems to be on Sundays. Sunday was the day he was found to have been resurrected, and his first two appearance to the twelve disciples were on the following two Sundays (Jn. 20:19, 20:26). Again, five weeks later—on Sunday—the Holy Spirit descended on the apostles.
The Word of God is Jesus
the Bible is a collection of 73 God inspired bookS (plural)
“For as the rain and the snow come down from heaven, and return not thither but water the earth, making it bring forth and sprout, giving seed to the sower and bread to the eater, so shall my word be that goes forth from my mouth; it shall not return to me empty, but it shall accomplish that which I purpose, and prosper in the thing for which I sent it” (Is. 55:10-11).
“[T]he word of God came to John the son of Zechariah in the wilderness; and he went into all the region about the Jordan, preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins” (Luke 3:2-3).
“[Jesus] was preaching in the synagogues of Judea. While the people pressed upon him to hear the word of God, he was standing by the Lake of Gennesaret” (Luke 4:44; 5:1).
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. . . . And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us” (John 1:1, 14).
O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth?
"For if we sin deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins"
Did you read that? If we sin. How do we know if we sin? 1 John 3:4 tells us sin is the transgression of the law. So we have to refer back to the law to see what is sin. But you (Catholics) are telling people to deliberately sin by not worshiping God on the Sabbath. Who is it now that is in jeopardy of Hell? If you read the Word of God, it ain't me.
Jesus wasn’t a Sabbatarian - He fulfilled the Old Covenant.
We now live in the New Covenant and we worship the Lord on the Lord’s Day - the first day of the week.
Sabbatarians are not Christ believers
"We now live in the New Covenant" That much is true. "and we worship the Lord on the Lord’s Day - the first day of the week." You do so of your own volition in violation of Gods law. Your worship displeases God. Isa. 29:13 prophesied of you with "Therefore the Lord said: "These people draw near to Me with their mouths and honor Me with their lips, but their hearts are far from Me. Their worship of Me is but rules taught by men."
Sabbatarians are not Christ believers
Slanderous lie and a false witness.
Nah, the fact is that Sabbatarians were condemned in the New Testament.
Paul tells us that the ceremonial aspect of the old law—the Sabbath day itself—is no longer binding for the Christian faithful: Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in regard to ... a Sabbath day—things which are a mere shadow of what is to come, but the substance belongs to Christ (Col. 2:16-17).
Clearly, the Sabbath is “a mere shadow”—that is, fleeting by nature. And “shadow” (Greek, skian) is the same word used by the inspired author of the letter to the Hebrews for the animal sacrifices of the Old Covenant—also no longer binding on Christians.
For the law, having but a shadow (Greek, skian) of the good things to come, and not the exact image of the objects, is never able by the sacrifices which they offer continually, year after year the same, to perfect those who draw near (10:1).
When Paul teaches that Christians do not have to keep the Sabbath, he speaks of the holy days that were specific to the Jews. He is not saying—and does not say—that we do not have to keep any holy days at all. In context, Paul is dealing with Judaizers, who were telling Gentile Christians they had to be circumcised and keep the Old Covenant law that had passed away, which would include the Sabbath and other holy days, in order to be saved. Some overlook this fact when they use Paul’s epistle to the Romans against the necessity of keeping the Third Commandment.
As for the man who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not for disputes over opinions. One believes he may eat anything, while the weak man eats only vegetables. . . . One man esteems one day as better than another, while another man esteems every day alike. Let every man be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes the day, observes it in honor of the Lord. He also who eats, eats in honor of the Lord (14:1-6).
There is no longer any such thing as a day that binds Christians in the New Covenant. Jesus is the fulfillment of the Sabbath, not some day we have to go to church.” And they are actually correct, but only partially. Jesus is the fulfillment of the Sabbath rest in the sense that only he can actualize the “rest” the Sabbath symbolized.
In Hebrews 10:1-26, we see movement toward tagging on the Church as fulfillment of all that was merely shadow in the Old Covenant and not just Jesus Christ in the abstract. And this makes sense only when we understand that “the Church” is the body of Christ, or Christ himself extended into the world (cf. Eph. 1:22-23).
For since the law has but a shadow of the good things to come, instead of the true form of those realities, it can never . . . make perfect those who draw near.
Therefore, brethren, since we have confidence to enter the sanctuary by the blood of Jesus, by the new and living way which he opened for us through the curtain, that is, through his flesh, and since we have a great high priest over the house of God, let us draw near with a true heart in the full assurance of faith, with our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water . . . not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some. . . . For if we sin deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins (Heb. 10:1; 19-22, 25-26).
As Christians, we “enter into the sanctuary” through baptism—bodies washed with pure water—and the Eucharist—his flesh—thus enters the necessity of the Church.
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