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Hominid==>Human Evolution...

Posted on 01/03/2024 8:25:08 PM PST by ganeemead

For any hominid to have evolved into a human, he'd have needed to lose everything he needed to live, including:

1 His fur while ice ages were happening
2 Nearly all of his night visiion while surrounded by large carnivores that could all see quite nicely in the dark
3 Nearly all of his sense of smell while trying to make it as a land prey animal
4 Nearly all of his musculature, in an age when muscle mattered

That's a really stupid plan. Who dreams that sort of thing up??

You could devise a new eligion by taking the single stupidest doctrine from each of the existing religions, and even that would make more sense than evolution.


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1 posted on 01/03/2024 8:25:08 PM PST by ganeemead
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To: ganeemead

Not only that but there would have to be so many miraculous changes at the same time in DNA and EVERY SINGLE cell in the body for this to happen. And they would have to find mates in which these miraculous mutations could propagate in.


2 posted on 01/03/2024 8:34:55 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: ganeemead

Jim Beam or Jack Daniels?


3 posted on 01/03/2024 8:39:38 PM PST by Repeal The 17th (Get out of the matrix and get a real life.'s orbit.)
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To: ganeemead

Early humans should have gone extinct, except we have one advantage over the other animals. Fire, and tools. OK, that’s two.


4 posted on 01/03/2024 8:45:32 PM PST by Telepathic Intruder
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To: ganeemead

I’ve tried to get answers from evolutionists with similar questions. There is no adequate answer.


5 posted on 01/03/2024 8:45:37 PM PST by vpintheak (Pinko misanthrope)
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To: ganeemead

Or we could go with
In the beginning God….


6 posted on 01/03/2024 9:34:27 PM PST by Nifster ( I see puppy dogs in the clouds )
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To: ganeemead
For any hominid to have evolved into a human, he'd have needed to lose everything he needed to live, including: 1 His fur while ice ages were happening

Anatomically modern humans didn't evolve during the last ice age (and evolved in Africa, which was, and is, hot).

2 Nearly all of his night visiion while surrounded by large carnivores that could all see quite nicely in the dark

Other apes also have poor night vision. We didn't lose night vision - not sure we ever had it.

3 Nearly all of his sense of smell while trying to make it as a land prey animal

Yes but our brain instead is optimized towards speech and fine muscle control, which are probably more useful.

4 Nearly all of his musculature, in an age when muscle mattered

We have enough musculature, and our physiques allow us to run and swim, which give us huge evolutionary advantages.

Thank you, next?

7 posted on 01/03/2024 9:52:46 PM PST by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: DouglasKC
Not only that but there would have to be so many miraculous changes at the same time in DNA and EVERY SINGLE cell in the body for this to happen.

Making changes in every single cell of a body is what germ cells do on the regular. That's not a miracle, that's just sex. Although I guess it is a miracle that some people are able to have sex.

8 posted on 01/03/2024 9:54:28 PM PST by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Telepathic Intruder

So, it wasn’t the ability to count.

Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”

I’ll stick with facts while others pursue fantasy.


9 posted on 01/03/2024 10:49:33 PM PST by Ken Regis (I concur. )
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To: Alter Kaker

Your claim is as if those traits just were. Chances of them evolving are nil.


10 posted on 01/03/2024 11:35:16 PM PST by nicollo ("This is FR!")
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To: Alter Kaker
Nobody with any brains or talent believe in evolution any more, basically a dead theory walking:

Disproofs of Evolution

A proof or disproof is a kind of a transaction. There is no such thing as absolutely proving or disproving something; there is only such a thing as proving or disproving something to SOMEBODY'S satisfaction. If the party of the second part is too thick or too ideologically committed to some other way of viewing reality, then the best proof in the world will fall flat and fail.

In the case of evolution, what you have is a theory which has been repeatedly and overwhelmingly disproved over a period of many decades now via a number of independent lines reasoning and yet the adherents go on with it as if nothing had happened and, in fact, demand that the doctrine be taught in public schools at public expense and that no other theory of origins even ever be mentioned in public schools, and attempt to enforce all of that via political power plays and lawsuits.

At that point, it is clear enough that no disproof or combination of disproofs would ever suffice, that the doctrine is in fact unfalsifiable and that Carl popper's criteria for a pseudoscience is in fact met.

The educated lay person is not aware of how overwhelmingly evolution has been debunked over the last century. The following is a minimal list of entire categories of evidence disproving evolution:

Here's what I mean when I use the term "combinatoric considerations"...

The best illustration of how stupid evolutionism really is involves trying to become some totally new animal with new organs, a new basic plan for existence, and new requirements for integration between both old and new organs. Take flying birds for example; suppose you aren't one, and you want to become one. You'll need a baker's dozen highly specialized systems, including wings, flight feathers, the specialized system which allows flight feathers to pivot so as to open on upstrokes and close to trap air on downstrokes (like a venetian blind), a specialized light bone structure, specialized flow-through lungs, specialized tail, specialized general balance parameters etc.

For starters, every one of these things would be anti-functional until the day on which the whole thing came together, so that the chances of evolving any of these things by any process resembling evolution (mutations plus selection) would amount to an infinitessimal, i.e. one divided by some gigantic number.

In probability theory, to compute the probability of two things happening at once, you multiply the probabilities together. That says that the likelihood of all these things ever happening, best case, is ten or twelve such infinitessimals multiplied together, i.e. a tenth or twelth-order infinitessimal. The whole history of the universe isn't long enough for that to happen once.

All of that was the best case. In real life, it's even worse than that. In real life, natural selection could not plausibly select for hoped-for functionality, which is what would be required in order to evolve flight feathers on something which could not fly apriori. In real life, all you'd ever get would some sort of a random walk around some starting point, rather than the unidircetional march towards a future requirement which evolution requires.

And the real killer, i.e. the thing which simply kills evolutionism dead, is the following consideration: In real life, assuming you were to somehow miraculously evolve the first feature you'd need to become a flying bird, then by the time another 10,000 generations rolled around and you evolved the second such reature, the first, having been disfunctional/antifunctional all the while, would have DE-EVOLVED and either disappeared altogether or become vestigial.

Now, it would be miraculous if, given all the above, some new kind of complex creature with new organs and a new basic plan for life had ever evolved ONCE.

Evolutionism, however (the Theory of Evolution) requires that this has happened countless billions of times, i.e. an essentially infinite number of absolutely zero probability events. I ask you: What could be stupider than that?

Fruit flies breed new generations every few days. Running a continuous decades-long experiment on fruit flies will involve more generations of fruit flies than there have ever been of anything resembling humans on Earth. Evolution is supposed to be driven by random mutation and natural selection; they subjected those flies to everything in the world known to cause mutations and recombined the mutants every possible way, and all they ever got was fruit flies.

Richard Goldschmidt wrote the results of all of that up in 1940, noting that it was then obvious enough that no combination of mutation and selection could ever produce a new kind of animal.

There is no excuse for evolution to ever have been taught in schools after 1940.

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But remember I said there was another flavor of this business, i.e. the Gould/Eldredge variation which is called "Punctuated Equilibria" or "punk-eek"...

Uncle Don Carney was the most popular childrens show on the radio waves in and around NY in the heyday of radio until the day when, having finished his goodbye song and thinking the mike was off, he uttered the famous

"Well, I guess that takes care of the little bastards for another day".

Likewise, Steve Gould was a paleontologist and not an evolutionary biologist or anything of the sort. Starting from a point somewhere back in the 60s and 70s, evolutionary biology had become a dead hand over the entire field of paleontology; paleontologists simply were not being allowed to publish legitimate findings because they contradicted the dogmas of Darwinism as they pertained to the question of "intermediate fossils". And so, in order to make paleontology something which somebody could actually practice in the world, Gould, Eldredge, and a couple of others came up with what they apparently viewed as an appropriate concoction of BS to "hold the little bastards" (how they viewed evolutionists) not just for another night, but for all time, while they went about their profession unmolested.

Now, in the automotive profession, there are a certain number of unscrupulous salesmen who have devised a sort of a variant of Adolf Hitler's "big lie" principle adapted to the requirements of salesmanship, which goes thus: If I tell some potential buyer a lie so overwhelmingly preposterous that nobody with any brains or talent or even the IQ you normally associate with dogs and cats could possibly buy off on it, then my conscience is clear; I don't have to feel sorry for the guy.

This is undoubtedly the way in which Gould and Eldredge managed to construct their theory without having to worry about losing sleep over feeling sorry for anybody. The fact that PE is basically idiotic didn't even bother them since they viewed the intended audience as idiots.

Punctuated equilibria amounts to a claim that all meaningful evolutionary change has occurred amongst very small groups of animals living in isolated or closed-in areas; these creatures supposedly develop some genetic advantage and then spread out and overwhelm the larger herds of the older animals. The theory claims to resolve two gigantic problems with classical Darwinism: the total lack of intermediate fossils, and the problems of population genetics particularly the Haldane Dilemma and the gigantic spans of time it would take to substitute ANY genetic change through any large herd of animals.

Nonetheless there are a number of huge problems with PE and requiring ALL animal species to have arisen in such a way is the same proposition as requiring Custer to win at Little Big Horn every day for billions of years.

Real scientific theories (as opposed to evolution) do not require being reinvented every ten or twelve years.

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Why wo

rry about any of this??

There actually are flavors of junk science which are relatively harmless and nobody has ever seen me out campaigning against any of those. Evolutionism on the other hand is not harmless. It was the basic philosophical cornerstone of communism, Nazism, and every one of those eugenics programs which you read about. Basically, when a man begins to view his neighbor is a meat byproduct of random events and stochastic processes, he has opened the gates of hell for himself.

11 posted on 01/04/2024 12:34:11 AM PST by ganeemead (everything )
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To: ganeemead

Endogenous retroviruses.


12 posted on 01/04/2024 12:36:35 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Freedom isn't free, liberty isn't liberal and you'll never find anything Right on the Left)
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To: ganeemead

Because it wasn’t evolution, it was genetic modification in stages until the final product of modern human.


13 posted on 01/04/2024 1:26:32 AM PST by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: Openurmind

Somebody’s decided that an evolution of evolution has occurred within the last 200 years? Whatever happened to “natural selection”?


14 posted on 01/04/2024 2:52:16 AM PST by equaviator (If 60 is the new 40 then 35 must be the new 15.)
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To: DouglasKC
Not only that but there would have to be so many miraculous changes at the same time in DNA and EVERY SINGLE cell in the body for this to happen.

Well no. You've never read On Origin of the Species, have you? That not at all how it works. The theory is that nature works in a manner similar to a person who breeds livestock or flowers, choosing individuals to breed that have desirable features and culling the rest. Of the course of many, many generations, those with the most favorable genes for survival remain. Natural selection vs. deliberate breeding.

It's just a theory.

15 posted on 01/04/2024 3:53:21 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Perdicaris alive or Raisuli dead!)
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To: ganeemead

You’re entitled to your opinion.


16 posted on 01/04/2024 4:13:10 AM PST by maddog55 (The only thing systemic in America is the left's hatred of it!)
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To: equaviator

Natural selection was still there, but to naturally weed out the weak in between stages of modification. This why they are having trouble finding a smooth transition from one species of hominid to the next. There is always an almost immediate change in a short time period and then it sticks unchanged for thousands of years allowing only the fittest to be optimum and chosen for the next genetic installment.


17 posted on 01/04/2024 5:07:15 AM PST by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: equaviator

The fruit fly experiments are what happened to ‘natural selection’...


18 posted on 01/04/2024 5:28:43 AM PST by ganeemead (everything )
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Homo sapiens sapiens = us, goes back long before the last Ice Age to around 300,000 BC. as traced by mitochondrial DNA.


19 posted on 01/04/2024 6:20:03 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: ganeemead

The dna analysis eliminating neanderthals and thus all other hominids as plausible human ancestors. Neanderthal DNA is generally described as roughly halfway between ours and that of a chimpanzee.


Except modern DNA testing proves that we have not only Neanderthal but Denisovan DNA as well - and likely others once enough DNA has been sequenced to use.


20 posted on 01/04/2024 6:23:18 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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