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Update from Ukraine | Ukraine targeted the Ruzzian Military Airfield | Bombers are damaged
Youtube.com ^ | 12-18-2023 | Denys Davydov

Posted on 12/18/2023 2:21:25 AM PST by UMCRevMom@aol.com

Update from Ukraine | Ukraine targeted the Ruzzian Military Airfield | Bombers are damaged

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22PqQ3Ao3Fs

Militaryland news: Invasion Day 661 – Summary. The summary of the situation of Russian re-invasion to Ukraine covering the recent developments on the battlefield, as of 16th December 2023 – 22:00 (Kyiv time). https://militaryland.net/news/invasion-day-661-summary/

[NOTE: two summaries per week, released on Wednesday and Sunday]

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Russia Is NOT Getting Rich Because of the War
UATV English
405K subscribers
12-18-2023 11:15 a.m.EST
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1ZnUOtPE-0

Gas revenues have decreased in the Russian Federation, but the authorities try to hide this fact behind statistics manipulation and printing money. The talks about a ‘better life’ after the war started and the ‘new markets’ of India and China seem to be excuses rather than an adequate answer to the question.


81 posted on 12/18/2023 9:31:02 AM PST by UMCRevMom@aol.com (Pray for God's intervention to stop Putin's invasion of Ukraine )
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To: bimboeruption
As today's thread is about Russian propanganda, here is yet another just mentioned in the Free Republic forum:
How Putin Turned a Western Boycott Into a Bonanza NYTimes,18 December 2023.

82 posted on 12/18/2023 9:38:48 AM PST by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time

>I apologize to your for “mis-gendering” your source.<

He’s a boy, but he dresses and giggles like a girl.


83 posted on 12/18/2023 9:44:56 AM PST by bimboeruption (“Less propaganda would be appreciated.” JimRob 12-2-2023)
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To: bimboeruption
The Pinterest “likes” are most “stylish.” Not at all like a pirate....
84 posted on 12/18/2023 9:46:35 AM PST by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time

The source is not Janne Hukkinen, he arranged the translation of the video from Finnish.

Martti J. Kari is the source. You can probably find other videos with him, but very few are translated into English. If you have time, you can watch some of them, or read his doctoral thesis.


85 posted on 12/18/2023 10:25:23 AM PST by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: JonPreston; Allegra

Let’s go back to the beginning.

Russia has committed war crimes and crimes against humanity

Aiding and abetting criminal activity is a lesser crime.

Abetting the war criminal Russia is a lesser crime but still a crime


86 posted on 12/18/2023 11:02:48 AM PST by bert ( (KWE. NP. N.C. +12) Hamascide is required in total)
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To: AdmSmith
--- "The source is not Janne Hukkinen, he arranged the translation of the video from Finnish."

Clear. No question. Merely learning more about the "male" whose YouTube channel you posted.

--- "Martti J. Kari is the source. You can probably find other videos with him, but very few are translated into English. If you have time, you can watch some of them, or read his doctoral thesis."

And at this YouTube video, you can hear him tell of his involvement with the Ukraine government intelligence in "spring of 2020."

His thesis is that the Cold War never ended. Additionally that "information influence" is important, especially in coming elections. As he says, whenever the conversation begins to fade, someone comes to throw in a "new bone." Moreover "we try to polarize the people all the time." He then goes on to speak to Sweden's establishing a "psychological defense authority."

Näkökulmia Suomen historiaan 2023 - Martti J. Kari

He is a voice, now silenced by cancer. On many sides, there are voices saying similar things, even as from differing perspectives. But what is sure, on all sides, is that there is indeed "information influence" and governments moving towards "psychological defense authority." When the Overton window is cramped in, the latitude for differing opinions is also tamped down. This becomes in time the antithesis of "free speech" becomes evident in many places and by many voices.

I agree with the thesis that "the Cold War never ended." On all sides is my take.

Shall we move forward to discuss his dissertation? It is available in English as a PDF, 211 pages with university and committee imprimatur.

He concludes: "The status of cyber weapons in the field of international law today is equivalent to the status of nuclear weapons before the Limited Test Ban Treaty and Strategic Arms Limitations Treaties in the 1960s and 1970s. In other words, these weapons systems lack sufficient rules of engagement that, when combined with the fast pace of technological development, makes the cyber threat a serious security policy issue. With the acknowledgement of this special status of cyber weapons, it can be argued that the Cold War era theories of threat perception and the use of force can be applied to study and analyze these phenomena in cyberspace."

A difference between his conclusion and mine will be that I apply the notion of " cyber weapons" to all competing sides, as, if the Cold War never ended, then all sides in a multi-polar world of competing powers will array their cyber weapons in similar manner to those "strategic arms" which are also in the equation.

In a dangerous and multi-polar world, it is not sensible to think in simplistic terms. Many variables, for any of us who have solved multi-variable problems, and the more complex all becomes.

87 posted on 12/18/2023 11:21:58 AM PST by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: bert; JonPreston; Allegra
--- "Let's go back to the beginning."

This thread's "beginning" of thsi facet of the discussion begins with an assertion: Comment # 42 -- "More importantly, what about the war criminal advocates that post them. Should Free Republic be supporting war criminals?"

War criminal advocates posting to Free Republic. Such was the assertion. Thus did this begin.

88 posted on 12/18/2023 11:26:23 AM PST by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: bert
Abetting the war criminal Russia is a lesser crime but still a crime

Who among the Forum posters are committing crimes and how exactly are they doing this? Have you notified the FR administrators? Government agencies?

89 posted on 12/18/2023 11:29:43 AM PST by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: bert; JonPreston
Aiding and abetting criminal activity is a lesser crime.

Abetting the war criminal Russia is a lesser crime but still a crime

How about you provide substantiation that anybody here (myself included) has abetted Russia or criminal activity in any way?

And don’t say something ridiculous along the lines of not wanting billions of our tax dollars going unaudited to a known money laundering operation is “abetting Russia.”

Otherwise, I suggest you shut your yap and knock off the incendiary accusations. You’re way out of line with that crap.

You UkieYipYappers tend to be hyperbolic drama queens, but you need to rein in your hysterics and watch yourself.

90 posted on 12/18/2023 11:36:26 AM PST by Allegra (Less propaganda would be appreciated.)
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To: Allegra

As this mess collapses the already unhinged are losing it. But this kind of accusation goes too far.


91 posted on 12/18/2023 11:44:44 AM PST by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time
His [Kari] thesis is that the Cold War never ended.

I [Worldtraveller]agree with the thesis that “the Cold War never ended.” On all sides is my take.

In the 90s, I actually thought that the Cold War ended in 1991, but it seems that Kari, Egon Krenz and you believe that it did not:

Egon Krenz still takes an interest in politics. And still supports Moscow. “After weak presidents like Gorbachev and Yeltsin, it is a great fortune for Russia that it has [President Vladimir] Putin.” He insists the Cold War never ended, but instead is “being fought now with different methods.”
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49971599

We in the West might say that the Cold War ended in 1991, but the mentality of the Mongolian conquest is so deeply embedded in Russian structures that they continue in the old style. In other words, here we have Cold War 2.0, but in Russia it is just a continuation of the original version.

92 posted on 12/18/2023 12:12:39 PM PST by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: JonPreston

Yes, I’ve come to expect looney logic from them, but they need to try to control their emotions some.


93 posted on 12/18/2023 12:24:09 PM PST by Allegra (Less propaganda would be appreciated.)
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time

The source of the propaganda is irrelevant.

The fact of the matter is that any info published here that favors one side or the other is labeled “propaganda” from the other side.

A NY Times article is labeled “propaganda” by a poster here on one day, and the next day the same critic takes another article from the same NY Times as the gospel truth.

Naturally.


94 posted on 12/18/2023 12:30:10 PM PST by funwithfood
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To: bimboeruption

“None threads you listed are like mommy’s and speedy’s. Take a look at them. Mommy’s and speedy’s gush links to the same monetized youtube channels. Clicking on the links translates into income for the youtuber and his employees.”

So are you upset about the content, or the fact that a monetized youtube channel is making money by providing info on the war? I believe in free enterprise. A money making alternative to main stream media providing info to the public outside is just capitalism filling a need. Good for them. I would rather these youtubers make money disseminating info about the war than say CNN. Dont you?

Media is a business that has to be profitable. There is nothing wrong with that unless you prefer state run media.


95 posted on 12/18/2023 12:39:37 PM PST by funwithfood
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To: Allegra; JonPreston
...they need to try to control their emotions some.


96 posted on 12/18/2023 1:29:33 PM PST by cabojoe ( 🇺🇸 Stop Ukie censorship. Release Gonzalo Lira)
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To: cabojoe

Mommy’s Propaganda Threads bring out the BEST in zeepers. </s>


97 posted on 12/18/2023 2:01:01 PM PST by bimboeruption (“Less propaganda would be appreciated.” JimRob 12-2-2023)
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To: funwithfood

I’m thrilled you’re a fan of capitalism.

What I’m not thrilled about is the constant gush of propaganda streaming from the Ukrainian government and the Ukrainian military.

Do you really think ANY government tells the truth during war time?

Propaganda is defined by the American Dictionary as: information or ideas that are spread by an organized group or government to influence people’s opinions, esp. by not giving all the facts or by secretly emphasizing only one way of looking at the facts.

Two times a day, every day, mommy and speedy turn on their fire hoses and FR is sprayed with Zelensky’s excrement.

No other posters do this. Prove me wrong.


98 posted on 12/18/2023 2:18:12 PM PST by bimboeruption (“Less propaganda would be appreciated.” JimRob 12-2-2023)
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To: Allegra

>Yes, I’ve come to expect looney logic from them, but they need to try to control their emotions some.<

They remind me of the whack jobs who have Trump Derangement Syndrome.


99 posted on 12/18/2023 2:20:39 PM PST by bimboeruption (“Less propaganda would be appreciated.” JimRob 12-2-2023)
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To: bimboeruption
Merry Christmas to you and yours BE! 🎄🙏
100 posted on 12/18/2023 2:43:49 PM PST by cabojoe ( 🇺🇸 Stop Ukie censorship. Release Gonzalo Lira)
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