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WA Judge Rules That Car Manufacturers Can Legally Store Your Texts and Phone Calls Without Explicit Permission
reclaimthenet.org ^ | November 13, 2023 | By Ken Macon

Posted on 11/14/2023 11:46:55 AM PST by Red Badger

In a move concerning privacy advocates, a federal judge last week ruled against reinstating a collective lawsuit accusing four auto manufacturing giants of contravening privacy protections in Washington state. The companies were alleged to have illicitly intercepted and documented private text messages and call records of customers using their car’s inbuilt infotainment systems.

The judge based in Seattle concluded that this activity did not constitute unauthorized privacy infringements according to state regulations.

The court’s decision favors the automakers Honda, Toyota, Volkswagen, and General Motors, who find themselves as defendants in five parallel collective lawsuits revolving around this issue. A similar case against Ford had been earlier dismissed following an appeal.

The complainants from the existing four lawsuits had sought legal redress following a previous dismissal by another judge. In their judgment given Tuesday, the appellate judge asserted that the clandestine capture and logging of mobile phone usage did not violate the provisions of the Washington Privacy Act. According to the act, to be a vulnerable plaintiff, one must demonstrate a threat to “his or her business, his or her person, or his or her reputation.”

To highlight the matters in question, the plaintiffs in one of the five lawsuits launched a legal challenge against Honda in 2021, contending that starting at least in 2014, infotainment systems in Honda’s vehicles have been storing duplicates of all text messages from smartphones once they were connected to the system.

Providing the technology to some car manufacturers, a Maryland-based company named Berla Corporation has nothing to offer the general public, according to the lawsuit. Once text messages have been logged in, Berla’s proprietary software makes it impracticable for car owners to get to their communication history and call logs, but does grant access to law enforcement, claims the lawsuit.


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1 posted on 11/14/2023 11:46:55 AM PST by Red Badger
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To: Red Badger

Is my car ready , how about that recall is the part in it’s been 4 months


2 posted on 11/14/2023 11:47:56 AM PST by butlerweave
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To: Red Badger

I’d sure like to know: 1) why the auto manufacturers need this information, and 2) under what circumstances is this not a privacy infringement.


3 posted on 11/14/2023 11:49:19 AM PST by econjack
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To: Red Badger; bitt

Unreal ping.


4 posted on 11/14/2023 11:51:53 AM PST by Jane Long (What we were told was a conspiracy theory in ‘20 is now fact. Land of the sheep, home of the knaves)
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To: Red Badger

I’m probably safe. It took all my tech savvy just to get the radio halfassed working.


5 posted on 11/14/2023 11:58:27 AM PST by WinMod70
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To: Red Badger

Bluetooth off. Always.


6 posted on 11/14/2023 11:59:48 AM PST by CatOwner (Don't expect anyone, even conservatives, to have your back when the SHTF in 2021 and beyond.)
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To: econjack

1. They don’t. The GOVERNMENT DOES.

2. BECAUSE THEY SAY SO.....................


7 posted on 11/14/2023 12:00:09 PM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: CatOwner

And WiFi...................


8 posted on 11/14/2023 12:00:30 PM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: butlerweave

Still waiting for chips from China.......................


9 posted on 11/14/2023 12:00:57 PM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: Jane Long

Big Brother is watching.......

George Orwell was a prophet..............


10 posted on 11/14/2023 12:01:37 PM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: Red Badger

Can vehicles connect to smartphones via WiFi? Our vehicles seem limited to Bluetooth or cabled connection.


11 posted on 11/14/2023 12:02:32 PM PST by CatOwner (Don't expect anyone, even conservatives, to have your back when the SHTF in 2021 and beyond.)
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To: CatOwner

Some can................


12 posted on 11/14/2023 12:06:41 PM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: Red Badger

Time to go Galt!


13 posted on 11/14/2023 12:14:16 PM PST by bantam
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To: Red Badger

“And WiFi”

CarPlay navigation is very nice. It needs Wi-Fi. They need to appeal this BS get it away from this Marxist Judge


14 posted on 11/14/2023 1:20:45 PM PST by gibsonguy ( )
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To: Red Badger

Even George Orwell didn’t think people would be stupid enough to pay for products that spy on them.

That would be Idiocracy.


15 posted on 11/14/2023 1:24:56 PM PST by cgbg ("Creative minds have always been known to survive any kind of bad training." Anna Freud.)
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To: cgbg

The televisions (viewscreens) in 1984 had cameras built in to them................


16 posted on 11/14/2023 1:29:13 PM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: Red Badger

We won’t be free until this BS is stopped.

Trump 2024.


17 posted on 11/14/2023 1:35:32 PM PST by generally ( Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: Red Badger
A blatant privacy violation.

The fact that existing privacy laws have no issue with it says more about the people who write laws, and the (not the same) people who pass legislation.

Legislation is - at the federal and state levels - written by the various iterations of special interest groups.

So when court decisions like this come about, it is because the “privacy laws” were either intentionally vague, or had enough loopholes for the special interests to feel secure that legal challenges would not interfere.

The old and quaint idea of lawmakers actually crafting legislation needs to be laid to rest. The world just doesn’t work that way anymore.

18 posted on 11/14/2023 3:24:35 PM PST by yelostar (Spook codes 33 and 13. See them often in headlines and news stories. )
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To: yelostar
https://publicintegrity.org/politics/state-politics/copy-paste-legislate/you-elected-them-to-write-new-laws-theyre-letting-corporations-do-it-instead/

(Copy, Paste, Legislate…April 2019)

Disguised as the work of lawmakers, these so-called “model” bills get copied in one state Capitol after another, quietly advancing the agenda of the people who write them.

This story was produced as part of a collaboration between USA TODAY, The Arizona Republic and the Center for Public Integrity. More than 30 reporters across the country were involved in the two-year investigation, which identified copycat bills in every state. The team used a unique data-analysis engine built on hundreds of cloud computers to compare millions of words of legislation provided by LegiScan.

A two-year investigation by USA TODAY, The Arizona Republic and the Center for Public Integrity reveals for the first time the extent to which special interests have infiltrated state legislatures using model legislation.

USA TODAY and the Republic found at least 10,000 bills almost entirely copied from model legislation were introduced nationwide in the past eight years, and more than 2,100 of those bills were signed into law.

The investigation examined nearly 1 million bills in all 50 states and Congress using a computer algorithm developed to detect similarities in language. That search – powered by the equivalent of 150 computers that ran nonstop for months – compared known model legislation with bills introduced by lawmakers.

The phenomenon of copycat legislation is far larger. In a separate analysis, the Center for Public Integrity identified tens of thousands of bills with identical phrases, then traced the origins of that language in dozens of those bills across the country.

In all, these copycat bills amount to the nation’s largest, unreported special-interest campaign, driving agendas in every statehouse and touching nearly every area of public policy.

The investigation reveals that fill-in-the-blank bills have in some states supplanted the traditional approach of writing legislation from scratch. They have become so intertwined with the lawmaking process that the nation’s top sponsor of copycat legislation, a member of the Pennsylvania General Assembly, claimed to have signed on to 72 such bills without knowing or questioning their origin.

For lawmakers, copying model legislation is an easy way to get fully formed bills to put their names on, while building relationships with lobbyists and other potential campaign donors.

For special interests seeking to stay under the radar, model legislation also offers distinct advantages. Copycat bills don’t appear on expense reports, or campaign finance forms. They don’t require someone to register as a lobbyist or sign in at committee hearings. But once injected into the lawmaking process, they can go viral, spreading state to state, executing an agenda to the letter.

This work proves what many people have suspected, which is just how much of the democratic process has been outsourced to special interests,” said Lisa Graves, co-director of Documented, which probes corporate manipulation of public policy. “It is both astonishing and disappointing to see how widespread … it is. Good lord, it’s an amazing thing to see.”

19 posted on 11/14/2023 3:33:22 PM PST by yelostar (Spook codes 33 and 13. See them often in headlines and news stories. )
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To: Red Badger

Is this all manufactures?


20 posted on 11/14/2023 4:23:29 PM PST by TribalPrincess2U (MURDER IS MYRDER)
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