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Your prediction. How much money will USA give to Ukraine and Israel by the end of 2023 and how will they give it?

Posted on 10/31/2023 11:15:48 AM PDT by MNDude

There has been a very strong backlash to the consistent funding of Ukraine military, although many in government remain as determined as possible to continue funding. A number in the House are claiming this has come to an end.

So, what do you think will happen, and how much will Israel and Ukraine ultimately get by Dec 31, 2023?

My personal prediction is Congress gives $15 billion to Israel, with some "fig leaf" coverings to make it look like they are concerned about US matters.

My prediction is that Biden somehow finds some way to bypass congress in a way we haven't thought of yet, and Ukraine will get another $40 billion.

What do you predict?


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1 posted on 10/31/2023 11:15:48 AM PDT by MNDude
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Support should be given to Israel. But as for ukraine not another penny!!!!!


2 posted on 10/31/2023 11:18:56 AM PDT by patriot torch (..)
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How much: more than zero

How will they give it: without my consent


3 posted on 10/31/2023 11:19:18 AM PDT by EEGator
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Forty billion to the Ukies delivered to the Zman by pallets on a forklift. FOUR billion to the Israelis but they have to pick it up at the Harvard and Yale student unions.


4 posted on 10/31/2023 11:19:24 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (We're seeing why the "younger" generations are not patriotic. The big fans of terrorists.)
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Your prediction. How long after the USA abandons Ukraine for Israel, or abandons both countries, will the Chinese attack Taiwan?


5 posted on 10/31/2023 11:20:30 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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Support should be given to Israel. But as for ukraine not another penny!!!!!


Putin thanks you for your support!!


6 posted on 10/31/2023 11:21:15 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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Don't be misled . . . . Israel has always benefitted by our support and should not be part of the equation in any words.

Your question sounds good, but Ukraine and Israel are two different entities.

Ukraine has had enough, Israel needs more.

I heard an Israeli spokesman say something this morning that most of us never consider;

"When 9/11 happened there in America, your enemy was thousands of miles away and there was always time to plan and set up for retaliation, OUR enemy is just a few blocks away"

(or words to that effect)


Think about it.

7 posted on 10/31/2023 11:21:29 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true . . . . . I have no proof, but they're true !)
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And how much will be stolen?


8 posted on 10/31/2023 11:23:22 AM PDT by aquila48 (Do not let them make you "care" ! Guilting you is how they control you. )
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How much has Z gotten to date?

I saw a story a week or 2 back where Mrs Z spent over a million in the jewelry store in a single buy.

9 posted on 10/31/2023 11:24:17 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (A government of the government, by the government, for the government)
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“Putin thanks you for your support!!”

____________

Is that you again Lindsey?


10 posted on 10/31/2023 11:24:33 AM PDT by patriot torch (..)
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All of it.


11 posted on 10/31/2023 11:25:38 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (They say "Our Democracy" but they mean Cosa Nostra.)
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12 posted on 10/31/2023 11:27:19 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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The best aid we could give to both Israel and Ukraine is to drill baby drill and mine baby mine.


13 posted on 10/31/2023 11:41:07 AM PDT by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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Simple and most honest reply is “all of it”.

Their goal is to crash the country.


14 posted on 10/31/2023 11:44:23 AM PDT by FrogMom (Time marches on....)
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I would like to see 20 billion for Israel and zero for Ukraine.

It is past time to cut our losses in Ukraine. Israel is still a competent hard point in the Middle East and most of what we provide to them will actually go to fighting and winning a war.

The war in Ukraine is basically lost. They are on their third army mobilization and there are not enough fighting-aged men left to raise a fourth army. The Russians have them outnumbered and have substantial reserves available. It is grinding war of attrition, and superior numbers are prevailing.

The other horrible truth is that the Russians have gotten much better at war fighting, and the NATO doctrines and weapons systems are not holding the Russians in check. NATO is not learning as fast as the Russians are learning either.

Ukraine government officials are stealing most of what we provide to them in order to line their own pockets. Most likely there is 20% going back to selected Democrats and their cronies to keep this system going for a while.

Too many weapons provided to Ukraine have shown up in the hands of Hezbollah or even the Mexican cartel forces. This includes high-end sniper rifles, automatic weapons, crew-served weapons, and even Javelin anti-vehicle systems. They proudly show them on propaganda videos. WTF?

This needs to end.

Some big changes are needed in US and European military forces, most importantly, the replacement of top-level commanders. The people who presided over the deterioration of military capabilities are not the people who can fix those problems.

15 posted on 10/31/2023 11:47:30 AM PDT by flamberge (We are living in "interesting times".)
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$40b is nothing. The big grift will come when we and the rest of Europe rebuild them. That’s Clintonian money.


16 posted on 10/31/2023 11:57:26 AM PDT by 03A3 (If we can defund the police, we sure as hell can defund the FBI)
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How many Jewish Billionairs are there in the United States ?

How much money have they donated to Israel ?

I might not care if we made those donations Tax deductable, but I do not want any more of my Taxes going to fund either Israel or Ukraine.


17 posted on 10/31/2023 12:09:36 PM PDT by algore
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Whatever the Biden administration wants


18 posted on 10/31/2023 12:16:51 PM PDT by Codeflier (Don't worry....be happy)
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250 billion for Zalensky and the Bidens, 50 billion for Gaza, and nothing for Israel


19 posted on 10/31/2023 12:18:14 PM PDT by Organic Panic (Democrats. Memories as short as Joe Biden's eyes)
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14b
40b
My guess.


20 posted on 10/31/2023 12:24:45 PM PDT by Harpotoo (Being a socialist is a lot easier than having to WORK like the rest of US:-))
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