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Putin reiterates Russia’s support for an independent Palestinian state
Middle East Monitor ^ | 10/13/2023 | Staff

Posted on 10/13/2023 5:01:10 AM PDT by marcusmaximus

Russian President Vladimir Putin has reiterated his country’s support for the establishment of an independent Palestinian state and the implementation of the relevant United Nations resolutions.

Speaking at the plenary session of Russian Energy Week, Putin said: “Russia’s position, which I just mentioned and explained, has not evolved today, not with regard to these tragic events, but rather has evolved over decades. This position is known to the Israeli side and to our friends in Palestine: We have always advocated the implementation of UN Security Council resolutions, taking into account first and foremost the establishment of an independent, sovereign Palestinian state.”

“What is happening is terrible. We understand that the level of bitterness is enormous. But we need to reduce civilian casualties to a minimum, and this applies to both sides,” he said, explaining that initially there was talk about creating two states – Israel and Palestine, but the latter never happened, adding that part of the Palestinian territories are occupied by Israel.

“In recent years, the focus has been on meeting the material needs of the population living in the Palestinian territories. In essence, they have tried to replace problem-solving of basic political issues with some kind of material gifts. Of course, this is very important for people who have a low standard of living. It is important to solve economic issues, but we have always said that this will not be enough. And without resolving the basic political issues, the most important of which is the establishment of a sovereign Palestinian state with Jerusalem as its capital

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat
KEYWORDS: gaza; hamas; iran; newtrollformarcus; putin; russia; twostatesolution

1 posted on 10/13/2023 5:01:10 AM PDT by marcusmaximus
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To: marcusmaximus

What about a independent Ukraine?


2 posted on 10/13/2023 5:02:20 AM PDT by Harpotoo (Being a socialist is a lot easier than having to WORK like the rest of US:-))
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To: marcusmaximus

Of course he does. A Palestinian client state would give Moscow a base with which to threaten the entire Mediterranean.


3 posted on 10/13/2023 5:04:54 AM PDT by Chad C. Mulligan
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To: marcusmaximus

All enemies of Israel are enemies of God.


4 posted on 10/13/2023 5:05:04 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Jesus + Something = Nothing ; Jesus + Nothing = Everything )
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To: marcusmaximus
Putin should prove he's committed to the Palestinian cause and announce that Russia is now a sanctuary state and welcome millions of Muslim refugees to migrate there instead of Europe. He might be able to stay in power for a month or two after doing so.
5 posted on 10/13/2023 5:14:07 AM PDT by DaBroasta ("An armed society is a polite society" Heinlein)
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To: marcusmaximus

But would Putin cut out a bit of Russian land for the Gazans?


6 posted on 10/13/2023 5:14:08 AM PDT by ryderann
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To: ryderann

Plenty of room in Russia. Lots of mosques, too.


7 posted on 10/13/2023 5:17:36 AM PDT by marcusmaximus
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To: marcusmaximus

I thought Gaza was an independent ‘Palastinian’ state?


8 posted on 10/13/2023 5:20:19 AM PDT by wny
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To: marcusmaximus
Puttin & Tucker sitting in a tree

K-I-S-S-I-N-G

9 posted on 10/13/2023 5:27:12 AM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: Roman_War_Criminal
All enemies of Israel are enemies Children of God.

fixed

10 posted on 10/13/2023 5:28:27 AM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: JonPreston

Tucker Carlson still hasn’t condemned Hamas and Iran.

And Tucker, supposedly a Christian, still hasn’t given a statement of 100% support for Israel.

All he’s done for the past week is whine about imaginary “escalation”.


11 posted on 10/13/2023 5:31:08 AM PDT by marcusmaximus
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To: marcusmaximus

12 posted on 10/13/2023 5:35:12 AM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: JonPreston

I’m trying to figure out if this is a trifecta troll - Putin, Tucker Carlson and Israel.


13 posted on 10/13/2023 5:57:20 AM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: marcusmaximus

Why does Jerusalem have to be its capital?


14 posted on 10/13/2023 6:04:11 AM PDT by kelly4c
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To: marcusmaximus

Putin promotes the status quo ante Abrams accords.

and, so does Biden as they try to maintain the Obama legacy that is now destroyed.


15 posted on 10/13/2023 6:17:03 AM PDT by bert ( (KWE. NP. N.C. +12) Joe Biden is a kleptocrat)
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To: marcusmaximus

Vlad, I think that ship sailed about 7-8 days ago.


16 posted on 10/13/2023 6:38:36 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: kelly4c
Why does Jerusalem have to be its capital?

Why did Lucifer lust to sit in the throne of God? Why will the anti-Christ brand everyone? Why would many Muslim want a mosque ("Community center") with a prayer space for the Muslim community that would accommodate 1,000–2,000 people.) at the site (one-tenth of a mile from Ground Zero) of the World Trade Center? (Construction of the Islamic cultural space had not begun as of 2023 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Park51)

It signifies conquering of opposition, victory over competition, of ownership.

17 posted on 10/13/2023 8:03:33 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves damned+destitute sinners on His acct, believe, b baptized+follow HIM)
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To: JonPreston; ConservativeMind; ealgeone; Mark17; BDParrish; fishtank; boatbums; Luircin; ...
All enemies of Israel are enemies Children of God. fixed

No, that is not fixed. And if you meant "All enemies of Israel are Children of God" then you need to be fixed.

Both persecute Christians - and Russia under Putin indeed does - but opposing the statehood of Israel, and or denying them ownership of their historical land (which was mostly cleanses of a very wicked nation, and later lost to conquerors due to Israel's infidelity, and thru a succession of conquerors part of it was given back to the Jews, who gained more of it (whole given back almost all the land it controlled after Islamic wars) due to the militant intolerance of Muslim squatters to a Jewish state, and who had no historical right to their militant intolerance to the Jewish state .

Meanwhile Arab Israelites peaceably co-exist with Jews within Israel, and with political representation. (all links are to FR posts) The idea that a Palestinian state would peaceably co-exist with Israel is pure fantasy.

18 posted on 10/13/2023 8:25:59 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves damned+destitute sinners on His acct, believe, b baptized+follow HIM)
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To: kelly4c
You asked, Why does Jerusalem have to be its capital?

Jerusalem

A crucial city in the Old and New Testaments, Jerusalem served as the seat of both Israel’s kingly authority and priestly rites. It was the capital of Israel during David and Solomon’s kingdom and was the capital of Judah’s kingdom after Judah and Israel’s split. It housed the Jewish temple where the nation offered sacrifices and was the setting of Jesus’ trial, crucifixion, and resurrection. It also served as headquarters and missionary sending base for the early church. Jerusalem is located between the Mediterranean and the northern end of the Dead Sea on a high plateau surrounded by mountains, hence why many biblical travel accounts refer going “up” to Jerusalem (Psalm 125:2). “Zion,” the hilltop where King David built his palace, is often used as a synonym for Jerusalem, which in turn is often used as a reference for God’s people (2 Sam. 5:7,9; Ps. 147:12).

Before Israel’s entry into Canaan, scripture predicted that God would appoint a place in Israel where he would “cause his name to dwell” (Deut. 12:11) and later affirms that Jerusalem had become this chosen place (1 Kings 11:36). Jerusalem was originally established by a Canaanite people called the Jebusites (Josh. 15:8, 63). The first explicit reference to the city in the Bible is in the accounts of Joshua’s campaign to conquer Canaan and describes that its King, Adoni-Zekek, was killed by Joshua along with four other local kings (Josh. 10:1, 26). However the city may be mentioned even earlier, since the mysterious priest-king Melchizedek who visited Abraham in Genesis 14 is described as the king of Salem (“peace”), which may be an early name for Jerusalem (“foundation of peace”) (Gen. 14:18; cf. Hebrews 7).

Jerusalem was allotted to the tribe of Benjamin (Josh. 18:28). The Israelites took over the city in the time of the judges but did not eliminate the Jebusites (Judg. 1:8, 21; 19:11-12). David finally drove out the Jebusites from the city and built his palace on the Jebusite hilltop fortress called Zion, which he also christened “the city of David” (2 Sam. 5:9, 11). David was made King of Israel and established Jerusalem as the center of his kingdom (2 Sam. 5:9-12). At one point during David’s reign an angel almost destroyed Jerusalem because of an illegal census but was commanded by God to stop (2 Sam. 24:16). David’s son Solomon built up the city considerably, his greatest contribution being the construction of its temple (1 Kings 3:1). At the end of Solomon’s reign the country was racked by civil war and split into two separate kingdoms: the tribes of Judah and Benjamin in the south kept Jerusalem as their capital while the remaining northern tribes were ruled by a different king in Samaria. Jerusalem was threatened by Assyria during King Hezekiah’s reign (2 Kings 18:17) but remained unharmed until Babylon’s King Nebuchadnezzar laid siege to Jerusalem, captured the city, sent its inhabitants into exile in Babylon, and set fire to its houses, palace, and – worst of all –temple (2 Kings 24:10,14; 25:9). After seven decades in a foreign land, the Jewish people were allowed to return home to rebuild their temple under the Persian King Cyrus (Ezra 1:2-3), despite local opposition (Ezra 6:14). The books of Ezra and Nehemiah record the Jewish people’s rebuilding efforts and Nehemiah mentions many of Jerusalem’s gates and city structures.

As the "dwelling place" of God (Ps 76:2), the city of Jerusalem also maintains an important role in the Bible’s non-historic literature. Psalms 120 through 134, known as the Psalm of Ascents, were written for Jews on their way to Jerusalem for festival celebrations. The writings of Ecclesiastes are set in Jerusalem (Eccles. 1:1, 12) and Song of Songs is also presumably set in the city (Song of Songs 2:7; 3:2). The entire book of Lamentations is a mournful account of Jerusalem’s destruction at the hands of the Babylonians. The Old Testament prophets form a unified voice in their prophecies concerning Jerusalem and Isaiah in particular has much to say about the city, occasionally calling it “Ariel” (Isa. 29:1, 2, 7). The prophets consistently predict Jerusalem’s destruction at the hand of the Babylonians because of its unfaithfulness to God, but they also anticipate its restoration by God as the city where he would establish his kingdom and forever enjoy his people (Micah 4:10; Zeph. 3:14-17).

After the Babylonian exile, Jerusalem changed hands between different political authorities until the Roman Empire set it under the rule of a Jewish client-King. At Jesus’ birth, Jerusalem was the seat of King Herod, who was visited by the Magi on their way to find Jesus (Matt. 2:1-2). The temple of Jerusalem is where Joseph and Mary took Jesus to be purified after his birth and blessed by the prophets Simeon and Anna (Luke 2:22, 25-38), where Jesus was found at age 12 dialoguing with religious teachers (Luke 2:43), where the devil took Jesus to the rooftop for his third temptation (Luke 4:9), and where Jesus disrupted money sellers in the outer courts (Mark 11:15). The city of Jerusalem is also where Jesus was welcomed like royalty before being put on trial by Israel’s religious leaders and crucified by Rome’s political ones (Luke 19:28-38). In his teachings, Jesus predicted future unrest in the city and anticipated its destruction in AD 70 (Luke 21:24). Though Jerusalem was hailed in his time as the only place of true worship, He also predicted that God’s worship would not be confined by location (John 4:21). Nevertheless, Jesus expressed a nostalgic affection for the city before his death at the hands of its citizens (Matt. 23:37).

After Christ’s resurrection, the disciples were instructed to remain in Jerusalem until they received the Holy Spirit (Acts 1:4). Peter gave the first evangelistic sermon in Jerusalem and the church began to grow (Acts 2:14, 6:7), despite persecution from the likes of Paul (Acts 8:1-3). Jerusalem acted as a base for the church where the apostles, elders, and other church officials resided (Acts 15:2). The first church council met in Jerusalem to determine the pivotal question of Gentile converts. They decided that Gentile believers could be Christ-followers without following Jewish legalistic regulations (Acts 15:1-29). Paul was later arrested in Jerusalem before his shipment to Rome for further trial (Acts 21:27; 25:12). In Revelation the new city of Jerusalem is portrayed as a God’s bride, a metaphor for God’s people (Rev. 21:2). The same city, then, which served as the center of Israel’s kingship and sacrificial system is the same city where the incarnate God revealed himself as humanity’s true king and true sacrifice, and which symbolizes God’s restored relationship with his people.

Source: Olive Tree Places of the Bible

19 posted on 10/13/2023 1:58:26 PM PDT by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good. )
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To: kinsman redeemer

Thanks for sharing that history and information. I know some of it but not nearly all and needed a refresher for sure.


20 posted on 10/13/2023 11:04:50 PM PDT by kelly4c
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