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Human and ape ancestors arose in Europe, not in Africa, controversial study claims
Live Science ^ | late August 2023 | Charles Q. Choi

Posted on 09/02/2023 9:51:08 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

A newly described fossil suggests that the ancestor of humans and apes arose in Europe, not in Africa...

In the new study, the researchers analyzed a newly identified ape fossil from the 8.7 million-year-old site of Çorakyerler in central Anatolia. They dubbed the species Anadoluvius turkae. "Anadolu" is the modern Turkish word for Anatolia, and "turk" refers to Turkey.

The fossil suggests that A. turkae likely weighed about 110 to 130 pounds (50 to 60 kilograms), or about the weight of a large male chimpanzee.

Based on the fossils of other animals found alongside it — such as giraffes, warthogs, rhinos, antelope, zebras, elephants, porcupines and hyenas — as well as other geological evidence, the researchers suggest that the newfound ape lived in a dry forest, more like where the early humans in Africa may have dwelled, rather than in the forest settings of modern great apes. A. turkae's powerful jaws and large, thickly enameled teeth suggest that it may have dined on hard or tough foods such as roots, so A. turkae likely spent a great deal of time on the ground.

In the new study, the scientists focused on a well-preserved partial skull uncovered at the site in 2015. This fossil includes most of the facial structure and the front part of the braincase, the area where the brain sat — features that helped the team calculate evolutionary relationships...

The researchers suggest that A. turkae and other fossil apes from nearby areas, such as Ouranopithecus in Greece and Turkey and Graecopithecus in Bulgaria, formed a group of early hominines. This may, in turn, suggest that the earliest hominines arose in Europe and the eastern Mediterranean. Specifically, the team contends that ancient Balkan and Anatolian apes evolved from ancestors in Western and Central Europe.

(Excerpt) Read more at livescience.com ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
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To: minnesota_bound
Africa just happened to have large dryer areas that preserved the bones better.
/bingo

61 posted on 09/03/2023 3:36:37 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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To: MinorityRepublican; Right_Wing_Madman
Herodotus' purported quote of Cyrus the Great near the end of the Histories could be applied to the question.

Climate change is 100 percent natural 100 percent of the time, and true pandemics are also natural events. Roman fortunes sometimes rose and fell due to one or both.

The Roman Empire started with the conquest of Ostia (now called Ostia Antica) around or before (perhaps well before) 500 BC and ended in 1453 (a mere 39 years before Columbus' first big gig) with the fall of Constantinople.

It grew out of their response to attacks from hostile rivals in Italy, and the Gallic invasion of Italy, then the Carthaginians, but thrived and expanded due to systemization and ongoing reform of the Roman military model.

The use of a siege gun ended it, but 1900 years is not a bad run.
[snip] ...having got the king's consent by thus cunningly addressing him - chiefly, O Cyrus! come now, let us quit this land wherein we dwell - for it is a scant land and a rugged - and let us choose ourselves some other better country. Many such lie around us, some nearer, some further off: if we take one of these, men will admire us far more than they do now. Who that had the power would not so act? And when shall we have a fairer time than now, when we are lords of so many nations, and rule all Asia?" Then Cyrus, who did not greatly esteem the counsel, told them, - "they might do so, if they liked - but he warned them not to expect in that case to continue rulers, but to prepare for being ruled by others - soft countries gave birth to soft men - there was no region which produced very delightful fruits, and at the same time men of a warlike spirit." So the Persians departed with altered minds, confessing that Cyrus was wiser than they; and chose rather to dwell in a churlish land, and exercise lordship, than to cultivate plains, and be the slaves of others. [/snip] (Herodotus, The Histories, tr. by George Rawlinson

62 posted on 09/03/2023 3:56:21 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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To: Tell It Right; 2nd Amendment; ealgeone; DFG; cowboyusa

Evolution deniers are the same thing as men wearing a dress and demanding you accept them as real women


63 posted on 09/03/2023 10:30:22 PM PDT by Rattlesnake_Snook
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To: Rattlesnake_Snook; Tell It Right; 2nd Amendment; ealgeone; DFG; cowboyusa
Evolution deniers are the same thing as men wearing a dress and demanding you accept them as real women.

Utter nonsense of an argument.

To believe evolution, that the human species, and all others for that matter, climbed out of the primordial ooze is what allows for men believing they can "evolve" to be a woman.

Evolution is the denial of the Sovereign God Who created male and female.

The evolutionist has to believe the following:

Something came from nothing.

Life came from lifelessness.

64 posted on 09/04/2023 6:34:06 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Rattlesnake_Snook

No,the idea that man Evolved and was not created by GOD is wrong. Of course the Earth evolved. Man was created from the dust of the Earth.


65 posted on 09/04/2023 8:26:54 AM PDT by cowboyusa (UA IS KING OF AMERICA! AMERICA FIRST! DEATH TO MARXISM AN GLOBAvolvLISM! Trump 2024, NO more Mr Nice)
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To: ealgeone
Gnosticism.
66 posted on 09/04/2023 8:28:24 AM PDT by cowboyusa (UA IS KING OF AMERICA! AMERICA FIRST! DEATH TO MARXISM AN GLOBAvolvLISM! Trump 2024, NO more Mr Nice)
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To: MinorityRepublican

“Up to Medieval Times. Then they got crushed by the Europeans. “

Depends on what perspective one sees as “crushed”. These cultures only lagged behind at that period because they held tradition and ceremony as much more important than haste, laziness, and greed like European cultures.

It still takes far eastern cultures an hour just to serve tea because time honored tradition and ceremony are more important than anything else. Just as it has been for hundreds of years.

Until western cultures influenced them they had no reason to practice selfish values. Until recently they were not in a hurry or glutenous. Doing the job right was more important than than how fast it got done. Perpetually trying to save time, labor, and cut corners has brought us the mess we have now.

Just look at what we have done to ourselves because of our values... Are we actually smarter? Depends on perspective.


67 posted on 09/05/2023 8:39:05 AM PDT by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: MinorityRepublican

“There is something to having to deal with all four seasons.”

“I agree. It forces a civilization having to plan ahead. Once you’re able to do that, it’s easier to build complicated stuff. Like rockets.”

No different than needing to plan for wet and dry seasons as needed.


68 posted on 09/05/2023 8:44:47 AM PDT by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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