Posted on 08/12/2023 7:10:07 AM PDT by where's_the_Outrage?
To the editor: A letter to the editor written by an educator of more than 30 years suggested three strategies to attract young people to the teaching profession. As a fellow educator of more than 30 years, I was horrified.
The writer's first suggestion was to remove the one year of graduate education required to obtain a teaching credential by folding it into a bachelor’s degree. Finland, Germany and other European countries require a master's to teach. Educators need more, not less, training.
The second suggestion was to restore authority and order to classrooms. Studies show that authority and order tend to fall heaviest on students of color and low-income and disabled students. Again: Teachers require more training, not ratcheting up punishment.
I do agree with the writer's third point: Pay teachers more.
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Problem is that when the libs started taking over education and other aspects of life, if the kid got in trouble at school, the parents started to come after the school and principals with lawyers. After many years of that, teachers are no longer allowed to discipline. We had strong discipline in our school in the 60s and 70s. There were no/few problems.
HA Funny you mention them. I was in the concert biz back in the day and we had a small show case theatre, ~1500 seats and were playing Cheech and Chong one night. I and another guy were operating the two Super Trouper spotlights. We were both laughing so hard we could barely keep up with the lighting director cues. He kept telling us over the headsets to calm down. ;O)
I agree with all but testing. Testing got us into this mess. Too much teaching to the test. It’s been a disaster.
Back in the old days of then good California disruptive students were removed from the regular high schools and sent to “night school” where they could earn a GD diploma (if they tried). This also included “shop” where they could learn automotive, carpentry, metal working, home econ, etc. I was in school there in the ‘50’s and 60’s. Also, girls who became pregnant were sent to “night school”.
Teachers are explicitly told NOT to suspend “POCs” - if they are sent out of the classroom, they are often back within minutes to carry on destroying every else’s education with their disruption.
YOU as the teacher will be blamed.
The only solution is to get your kids OUT of the public schools, let them founder.
Freshmen year in HS we had a short, stocky, Italian guy lay gym teacher. Had everybody lined up across the gym floor giving us the what’s up in his class. One kid was acting up in very disruptive manner. Before that kid knew it he was flat on his butt. That was the beginning and end of any messing around in that class.
I would bet that the "studies" did not consider single parent/dysfunctional households in the discriminants.
In Florida the teachers are so ignorant of economics that the districts have found it necessary to provide an instruction sheet showing a breakdown of what comes out of their paycheck; apparently because so many truly think that their take home amount is what the state is paying them.
My BIL’s 3rd wife thought that until he explained to her that taxes, insurance, union dues were NOT the responsibility of her employer and were deducted from her pay. Yes, she’s from NY originally and would vote Democrat if the candidate wore a Swastika arm band.
We don’t need higher paid air headed leftist ideologs with degrees in “education” in schools. Higher pay is not going to attract better teachers because (largely) few people to the right of Karl Marx want to teach in government schools. There are other reasons of course, but that is a biggie.
Also, we should do away with BAs in “Education”. Teachers should have a degree in the field which they teach, while being given a semester in the mechanics of teaching and running a classroom.
A 50% reduction in district administrative positions would be a good move also.
$hitcan the unions. No one working for the government should be allowed to unionize.
“I would bet that the “studies” did not consider single parent/dysfunctional households in the discriminants.”
Low IQ tends to result in those things.
> Studies show that authority and order tend to fall heaviest on students of color and low-income and disabled students.
Because those are the students who most need it. They sure as hell aren’t learning self-discipline or self-control at home. If their “parents” — or more often their single mother and her baby daddy d’jour — *had* any self-control, they wouldn’t *be* low-income. You can’t teach your kids what you yourself don’t know.
The decision to “mainstream” kids who should either be in reform school or institutionalized was also disastrous.
The biggest lie here is “students of color.” It isn’t about color. It’s about _class_. Give a kid two married middle-class parents who care about how the kid is doing in school and you’ll get about the same results, regardless of the color of their skin.
In 8th grade I watched my teacher cold caulk an unruly kid. Man did he have discipline after that
There were quite a few WWII and Korea combat vets teaching when I was in school. Not a lot of discipline problems, certainly nothing like now.
Not just the students. Activist teachers are exponentially more disruptive.
A major part of the problem are the teachers themselves and, like all other public employees, who are notoriously difficult to eliminate.
Good ideas.
That’s exactly right.
African elephants are non-migratory.
While looking for the term, I saw the usual gang of idiots arguing against tracking and even calling for eliminating it in high school with all the students taking the same classes, so no calculus for the college prep students or sticking with basic math and enough trig and geometry to do carpentry for the lower end.
Not many outside of education understand what the federal control of education has done. After the Obama/Holder reforms, it is almost impossible to suspend a student, especially an acting out black child. To remove a student in most states requires enormous documentation and even then is damn near impossible. For special education ed/bd students it is even worse. The progressive states and federal Department of education have made it near impossible to remove ill behaving disruptive students. They don’t care that if you put a teaspoon of sewage in a barrel of wine, you have a barrel of sewage, and no one learns. Until the federal interference in education comes to an end,no reforms will work or matter.
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