Sure you can.
Posted on 07/31/2023 9:18:10 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis sat down with "Special Report" on Monday for a wide-ranging interview, offering insight into whether former President Donald Trump can win in a general election.
DeSantis said he doesn’t believe Trump can win in 2024 because there are "too many voters who just aren't going to vote for him going forward."
"I saw it in Florida in my re-election. You know, I won the first time by less than a percent, second time by ‘20. Why did people vote against me in ‘18 but then voted for me in ‘22? The number one reason they gave was because of Trump."
"Because in ‘18 they said that they were voting against Trump. Voting against me, to vote against Trump, even though they didn't know much about me," he said. The Florida governor handily won re-election in November 2022, defeating Democratic candidate Charlie Christ by nearly 20 points.
DeSantis also told host Bret Baier that Trump can’t win crucial states like Georgia and Arizona in a general election.
"The polls that come out… I beat Biden in Georgia. Trump doesn't. I beat Biden soundly in Arizona. Trump doesn't. Those are just the realities," he said.
"And I also think in terms of the base, you need to have a cadre of personnel. If you want to slay this administrative state, you've got to be disciplined, you've got to be focused, and you've got to have people surrounding you that are going to go and support the mission. I think the former president would have a very difficult time getting the type of personnel to join the administration that you would need to actually bring this stuff to fruition," he continued.
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Come on man, I’m getting tired of you misquoting me.
“you state trump has a low support among republicans”
Whatever that is not true…you just show where I said that or stop it.
I did say the following:
“when the mods and females, minorities will vote for Biden. Repeat.”
“ I still see the left, moderates, most minorities and most women dislike Trump. It’s going to be hard to win without about 1/2 of them”
6/10 moderates say they would welcome a 3rd late candidate, that does support what I actually said.
https://www.wsj.com/podcasts/opinion-potomac-watch/the-moderates-pitching-a-biden-trump-alternative/c0e64ab0-aa1d-475a-b4b0-9c5fb6046b20
“ And in last year’s midterm elections, suburban voters, including women in this group, helped deliver major victories to Democrats in key states like Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Georgia, with many of Trump’s endorsed candidates facing defeat.‘
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/4002482-gop-fears-trumps-problems-with-suburban-women-will-only-get-worse/
22% of independents are unfavorable to Trump, 20% independents are unfavorable to Biden:
https://www.marquette.edu/news-center/2023/marquette-law-poll-national-survey-finds-trump-and-desantis-leading-biden-in-head-to-head-matches.php
Finally while I did not say with republicans some articles say so—if you can trust NPR:
https://www.npr.org/2023/02/22/1158538798/poll-bidens-standing-improves-while-trump-slumps-with-republican-voters
DeSantis (and Kemp) are big promoters of voting machines with its proprietary software. Contrast that with Trump and many of us here who want paper ballots.
Are DeSantis and Kemp naives who have been setup, to excel in 2022, to take down Trump and to then get heartlessly fleeced in 2024?
John Doe is not even paying attention. We’ll see what happens.
Fake scenarios regarding fake elections.
He’s a weak offering, in the mold of a Bush, Ryan and Rove. That segment of the GOP has been marginalized by Trump and frankly I don’t expect them to vote for DJT, not that many did previously.
That’s your opinion. Competition is good. This is not a coronation. Trump has to earn another chance to run for the White House. He has to prove it to us that he can still do it.
After he was allowed to crush Abrams in 2018, the bill came due:
Two US senators - or we spill the beans.
Remember - the Uniparty was still floundering after its stomping by Trump and MAGA.
It makes sense because to win the primaries, you have to win the PARTY.
The General includes more than just the one party.
You can win the party and lose the whole thing.
Not to mention the point that one must win in each state, not the union as a whole. That is the way it works.
Do not forget Trump won the most states, however barely, in 2016, and thus won the electoral votes. Hitlery won the general “national” popular vote. It didn’t matter that she was polling better overall.
That is both an example that this is how the system works, and that Trump is not the huge popular guy everyone wants to fantasize he is. Not when you have to include every-day Dems in your voting and the “independents”.
Neither can DeSantis because he is bought and paid for by the GOP establishment and, therefore, NOT TRUSTED by populist Americans.
Because non-Republicans who vote in it like him better and wouldn’t be as energized to vote against Trump whom they hate.
It is a GENERAL election, not just Republicans voting!
What swamp did Trump drain?
If anything, he made it deeper, filling his administration with old Bush cronies who he refused to fire.
The Deep State today is deeper and more powerful than ever thanks to Trump.
And yet you call everyone else "establishment" candidates.
Would Trump have ever fired a Soros prosecutor? Not a chance. He'd just tweet about how unfair it all is. At least DeSantis gets stuff done. Trump just talks a good game and you all eat it up.
The Deep State today is deeper and more powerful than ever thanks to Trump.
I'd say, "in spite of Trump."
It's Trump who lets DeSantis live rent-free in his head. He can't stop talking about him.
It's almost as if he doesn't believe his own polling.
Sure you can.
Brian Kemp managed to bring home the MAGA vote even after a butthurt Trump endorsed Stacey Abrams.
Fortunately for Georgia, Trump's base was smarter than he was and understood the consequences of an Abrams win in Georgia.
DeSantis is a backstabbing opportunist fueled by the Jeb Bush GOPe. He is a return to GOPe sell out to the rich guys party.
He has a horrid personality and is unable to connect.
He should talk about not be able to win a national election. lol. A guy that can only fill a room with rich donors with self interests.
What a clown.
June 16, 2015 Donald Trump Announcement Speech in New York, NY.
No comparison, Trump hadn’t even made an announcement speech in May
https://www.breitbart.com/2024-election/2023/07/31/poll-trump-leads-joe-biden-three-points-nationwide-six-points-swing-states/
Among those polled nationwide, 42 percent supported Donald Trump while just 39 percent supported Joe Biden. In swing states, Trump’s lead doubled to six points: 44 percent to Biden’s 38 percent. Support for an independent or third-party candidate stands at just nine percent.
Obviously you can win the primary and lose the general. It happens to one of the candidates every four years.
DeSantis can not win the primary. He can not win the party.
If he were to be handed the nomination, he is not going to generare high turnout amongst Republicans and right leaning independents. He trails behind Trump in support from independents.
Do you really believe the “every-day Dems” (as you put it) ate going to come out in support of DeSantis? They won’t. They won’t support Trump either.
Context is king. Polling before Trump even announced is irrelevant.
In 2015 Trump announced June 16th, by Aug 4th he was polling at 24% with Jeb at 13%
In 2023 DeSantis announced May 25th, in early August Trump is at 53.4% and DeSantis is at 15.6%
Trump is polling much stronger than in 2015. DeSantis is trending down since March 15th.
May 25, 2023 DeSantis Announcement speech
Polls Aug
Trump 53.4%
DeSantis 15.6%
Ramaswamy 6.9%
Pence 4.4%
Haley 3.0%
Scott 2.9%
Christie 2.6%
Eliminating all other GOP candidates, Republican voters still showed overwhelming support for Trump in a hypothetical one-on-one matchup with DeSantis, with Trump earning 62 percent support compared to DeSantis’s 31 percent.
June 16, 2015 Donald Trump Announcement Speech in New York, NY.
Aug 4th Just days before the Republican presidential candidates square off in their first debate, Donald Trump is in the top spot among Republican primary voters nationally - 24 percent support him as the nominee. Trump is followed by Jeb Bush (13 percent), Scott Walker (10 percent), Mike Huckabee (eight percent), Ben Carson (six percent), Ted Cruz (six percent), and Marco Rubio (six percent). Further down are Rand Paul (4 percent) and Chris Christie (3 percent). Other contenders are below three percent. Nine percent of Republican primary voters say they don’t know who they want as the nominee at this point.
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