"Photographic proof the ATF shouldn't be allowed anywhere near firearms"

Not The Bee ^ | Jul 21, 2023 | Staff

[GingisK]

That just isn’t true. I merely responded to your post, and then you said you didn’t understand. Then I explained why I posted what I did, then you got pissed. I am truly in the dark here.

[gundog]

Well, at least the safety is...never mind.

[DariusBane]

Not pissed. If you aren’t picking a fight like on a YouTube thread I will take the time to illuminate my intent.

[GingisK]

I’m not picking a fight. When I piss someone off I want to find out what I did wrong. The sequence of events bewilders me. I’m a bull in a China shop, hoping to settle down before I croak.

[DariusBane]

What I was saying is live rounds on a table with a hot range mandates barrel discipline. The agents are handling weapons like maintenance room sanitized of ammunition.

[GingisK]

OK. We’re cool. I don’t understand everything I read, and that is getting worse.

[karnage]

Abolish ATF.

Prohibition ended 90 years ago.

[GingisK]

Hey gang! This is way worse than we thought! Look at the picture again.

The guys in the background are checking their targets. The targets are to the right. The mutton heads are standing in front of their own table. Now notice that there is no table on the other side of the room where the guys in the background are located. That probably means that their table it to the left out of the picture. They are shooting past the guys in the foreground since they have the table close to the targets. Our heros' table is inside the bullet trap. (Note the slope of the ceiling)

I've never seen anything that bad in my life.

[GingisK]

EEEKKK!! They don’t go behind the table to shoot. Their brass lies to the right, closer to the targets.

[JimRed]

Why would you want your mind changed???

[Robert A Cook PE]

But the barrels Are pointed downrange! It’s just that the targets are to the right, out of camera range behind the guy bent over. /sarcasm

[mabarker1]

I personally think that them being in front of the Muzzle with reproductive organs in the line of fire is a great idea. Sterilizing them in any fashion is a great thing !!! We damned sure don't need anymore of them around.

In fact if We could get them to do that every day to themselves it would be even better.

As mentioned earlier it should be a Drive Through Convenience Store and they should be required to PAY US to drive through and take items off of their hands.

What a bunch of overpaid useless loser Putzes.

Bad Attitude Towards Freedom and Equality

[threefinger]

Whoever wrote this is an idiot with firearm experience that's too limited to justify letting him display their ignorance in public. Sometimes you just have to say "it's safe enough" and get on with it.

Have you never looked down the barrel of a firearm once it's disassembled? If you haven't, you've undoubtedly got a filthy barrel. And if you did, did it have to be completely detail stripped before you considered it "safe," or was simply field stripping it "safe enough"?

If you've ever cleaned a weapon (and inspected the barrel's bore) with a mere field strip, that raises the question of how you justify taking the risk without fully field stripping? The answer is, at some point you have to say, "that's safe enough.

Don't believe me? This is screen shot from a YouTube video of Inspection Arms at the Tomb of the Unknowns at Arlington.

Yes, that is an inspecting officer staring straight down the bore of an M1 Garand rifle. And the weapon isn't even field-stripped, but he did only seconds before confirm that the chamber was empty, which made it SAFE ENOUGH for what was to come. And how the hell else are you supposed to determine whether the bore is dirty????

This is a British military formation at what is called "reverse arms," used primarily at funeral and memorial services.

Note that every man in the formation is perpetually muzzle-sweeping the man in the rank behind him.

The United States Army used reverse arms until the late 19th Century. All Commonwealth military services still teach the reverse arms in their Drill & Ceremonies to this day.

Because with proper precautions, it's safe ENOUGH.

I could site still more examples but I'm tide of searching for and re-posting photos.

You can't know whether that MP40 is unsafe without intimate knowledge of what was done to confirm its condition before laying it down. Its ejection port is on the left side and not visible in this photo. For all anybody knows, there could be a Safe Chamber indicator sticking out the ejection port, which makes the weapon equally as safe as detail stripping it.

Jeff Cooper didn't bring those rules down from Mt Sinai on stone tablets, he made them up. And I'll wager even Cooper himself looked down a barrel at least once in his life to confirm it was clean.

The clown who wrote this crap thinks he's exalting himself at the ATF's expense when he's in fact displaying his own ignorance. I'm fully in favor of disbanding the ATF but without information not available in this photo, I'm not prepared to say there's a damn thing wrong going on in it.

[DariusBane]

Ok kool! I just thought I was getting trolled! Good to meet you!

[cpdiii]

Considering it is pointing at the family jewels, I would hope it is full auto in case of accidental discharge.

[GingisK]

You are highlighting situations in which the weapon is known to be unloaded. The one we are talking about is just the opposite.

[Mr.Unique]

...threefinger...

Tell me more about your screen name.

[DPMD]

I can see what you mean. The group of people in right background could be huddling around and discussing targets; but then again, it doesn’t make sense to have a loading table downrange. In any event, the doofus ATF clown is definitely downrange of the rifle. And since he seems to be on the uprange side of the loading table, I conclude that the shotgun is also pointing uprange.

It’s definitely reasonable to think the US government doesn’t know uprange from downrange.