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US Grand Strategy: NATO, Alliances, & Ukraine - how alliances underpin American influence
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUL8EvZkfEY ^ | 4/8/2023 | Perun

Posted on 04/08/2023 11:04:06 AM PDT by Chode

From the time NATO was founded in 1949 to the recent accession of Finland, the United States has remained the foremost military power in NATO.

But a question that is not often asked is why? Why would a power like the USA continue to expand promises of defence to an ever larger group of nations that cannot hope to offer a similar level of capability or assistance in return.

The acceptance of new allies into NATO or bilateral and multilateral security treaties has not always been without domestic and international opposition.

And so today I wanted to follow up on my video on Russian grand strategy, with its baked in goal of undermining American influence and global leadership, with an examination of America's published security strategy, the role alliances and coalitions play in it, and some of the theory behind why the argument can be made that the basis of American global influence and its privileged security position owe as much to its alliances and coalitions as to other aspects of its power.


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To: delta7

I focussed on major wars. So sad Our country does not learn from history. We need to stop playing world police. We can’t afford it, plain and simple. Protect our own borders before protecting Ukraine’S borders.


21 posted on 04/08/2023 12:16:23 PM PDT by entropy12 (Food is most popular anxiety drug, exercise is the least popular.)
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To: ansel12

Pretty sure it’s accurate that European borders moved back and forth for more than a 1000 years ..
How is that mot accurate? You may disagree with the context but the statement is accurate.


22 posted on 04/08/2023 12:17:21 PM PDT by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept? Vive Deo et Vives)
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To: DariusBane

You thought the relevant part of that post 8 and the purpose for making it was the mention that European borders have changed over time?


23 posted on 04/08/2023 12:20:18 PM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: Chode

This is an interesting video. I’ve not heard the author before and only listened to about 10 minutes of the video. I will listen to the entire video later, though.

From what I heard in the first 10 minutes, I tend to believe the author’s assessment seems accurate. He explained the why - not if the phenomena of a large NATO is a good thing or a bad thing. The latter part is where I get to chime in.

NATO is setting us up for WWIII. If we want peace in the world, we should not have doubled the size of NATO in the last 20 years. That’s the bottom line.

The hard facts in the world point to a new world order in our future. In the period from 1945 until the early 2000s (roughly 60 years), the USA achieved many great things, and we were clearly the hegemonic leaders of the world.

That has all changed (and is changing) for several reasons.

1. Global competition — primarily economic and demographic competition from China and the Asian countries. The world power is moving from east to west. Early on, it was Europe to America, and now it is America to Asia.

2. The growth, maturity, and sophistication of developing countries (China, Brazil, Mexico, India, Africa, Middle East, etc.) that represent the majority of the world’s population.

3. Blowback from our abuse of power in forcing our views of how independent countries should be run — including clandestine and direct military actions around the world if they do not comply. That includes invasions of Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, and the like. It also includes deep-state invasions of countries via color revolutions like Ukraine, Arab Spring, Venezuela, and other sovereign countries. An invasion is an invasion, whether clandestine (color revolutions) or direct military action. They are the same in the eyes of the recipient.

It is the latter that has energized those on the receiving end of these actions and those who see the handwriting on the wall to take action. That action includes organizations like BRICS, the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, and the recent movement to de-dollarize the world by some of these same groups (which will be a devastating blow to us).

In other words, just like NATO exist as a group to protect the individual interest of the member sountries, so too are these new challengers doing exactly the same. That is, joining as a group to defend and protect themselves.

If we had real leaders, they would recognize the world has changed and develop strategies to deal with these changes with dialog and discussions and NOT direct kinetic and aggressive attacks. Those attacks are achieving just the opposite of what they hope to achieve. In other words, we are seeing confrontation and blowback that may easily end with WWIII!

We are forcing the challengers to accept our way or the highway, and they’re choosing the “highway!”

Our so-called leaders believe they can bully the rest of the world just as they bully those of us in this country. Initiatives like ramrodding transgender and LGBQTXYZ lifestyles down our throats (including our children’s), vaccine mandates, deep state election theft (that was learned from years of doing the same outside the US), thought control, gun control, and free speech control(censorship, i.e.) and defunding police.

So while we sit back and take these demented abuses from our leaders, it is obvious the rest of the world WILL NOT accept them — and they are doing something about it!

This will not end well!


24 posted on 04/08/2023 12:20:46 PM PDT by icclearly
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To: Chode
Maybe some day we'll secure our own border not someone else’s.
25 posted on 04/08/2023 12:23:18 PM PDT by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
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To: Maine Mariner; delta7

You guys are making a mistake that I made here once by not paying attention.

It is Cavalry as in Reagan, not Calvary as in Jesus.

Unfortunately for me, it was a very long thread so of course the corrections went on and on.


26 posted on 04/08/2023 12:25:49 PM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: ansel12

You tell me what was relevant. You wrote the post. Was it the part about American intervention? We have been around 244 years I don’t understand how that’s not accurate.


27 posted on 04/08/2023 12:29:19 PM PDT by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept? Vive Deo et Vives)
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To: BenLurkin

For more than 100 years of European history, the fight over Europe’s borders has taken 100s of thousands of American lives.

Your wording leaves that out and implies you mean the last 1000 years and that we haven’t been dragged into their border wars before now.


28 posted on 04/08/2023 12:31:12 PM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: ansel12

Interesting you should mention the two world wars.

The first was a good example of a war which the USA should never have involved itself in, and in my opinion, our involvement in only made these worse in Europe over the subsequent decades.

The second, of course, we had no choice after Japan’s sneak attack on December 7, 1941, and Germany’s declaration of war on December 11, 1941.


29 posted on 04/08/2023 12:41:06 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire, or both.)
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To: BenLurkin

European wars are dangerous for all living things.


30 posted on 04/08/2023 12:46:31 PM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: ansel12

Thanks, I should have known being in an Airborne Cavalry Squadron way back when. However, with this being Easter, Calvary is on my mind.


31 posted on 04/08/2023 1:05:54 PM PDT by delta7
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To: icclearly

thx

Perun has the mest logistics videos i’ve seen

he usually posts sundays so today was early

look for the keyword 4shop for other videos i’ve posted

or just goto his youtube homepage


32 posted on 04/08/2023 2:00:46 PM PDT by Chode (there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. #FJB)
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To: escapefromboston

“ It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliance with any portion of the foreign world - George Washington”

And if Russia ever becomes a peaceful country there will no longer be a need for NATO and NATO will be dissolved by its members.

Lord haste the day!


33 posted on 04/08/2023 3:09:12 PM PDT by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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To: MeganC

I’d rather America became a peaceful nation


34 posted on 04/08/2023 4:28:31 PM PDT by escapefromboston (Peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none.)
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To: escapefromboston

Isolation was a good strategy for a remote new country with a small population and vast potential. It does not work though when that country has grown to become a global power.


35 posted on 04/08/2023 10:19:26 PM PDT by Rockingham (`1)
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To: Chode
" how alliances underpin American influence...."

You misspelled "UNDERMINE".....

36 posted on 04/09/2023 5:53:34 AM PDT by ganeemead (Ukraine/Zelensky: Adding an element of chutzpah to ordinary Nazism...)
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