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SUCESSION: A CONSORTIUM OF U.S. COUNTIES
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Posted on 04/01/2023 2:18:31 PM PDT by babygene

Much has been written about a National divorce.

IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

Much has been written in the recent past about the irreconcilable differences between the Left and the Right, and that a national divorce might be appropriate. Many have weighed in on the constitutional implications, and it could even be possible?

In my view, the Constitution has nothing to do with it. For if both sides were willing to follow the Constitution as written, this wouldn't even be an issue. They're not, so to that extent the Constitution is dead already. It certainly doesn't hold us together as a Nation. The differences are indeed irreconcilable, in my opinion.

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Above is a 2020 map by county of election results. As you can see, most of the country is Red, with Blue concentrated mostly in cities run, or I should say "mismanaged" by democrats.

This is the way to split up the county that would be workable. The Blues and the Reds are clustered together.


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To: Twotone

“I’m not sure counties trying to secede would have the impact that would be needed to get real change”

They are voting on this in Oregon on now, trying to join Red Idaho.


41 posted on 04/01/2023 5:30:25 PM PDT by babygene (Make America Great Again)
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To: Twotone; babygene

https://www.businessinsider.com/greater-idaho-movement-lawmakers-house-rural-oregon-counties-join-state-2023-2


42 posted on 04/01/2023 5:36:11 PM PDT by babygene (Make America Great Again)
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To: babygene; rockrr; BroJoeK
Jefferson Davis and his government did want to break off all the slaveholding territories. That would have left Washington DC surrounded, Philadelphia threatened, and the Confederacy not far from Lake Erie and able to divide the US in half. It would also have subjected many Unionists to Confederate rule. The Confederacy also demanded all US property within their boundaries. Given those demands, war was probably unavoidable.

Secession isn't going to work. People are going to be crossing boundaries everyday and going through customs every day. Goods crossing the border will be held up, inspected, and taxed. The ports would all be in the hands of the blue counties. Red counties and blue counties will fight over land and resources, and the dividing lines will run through most counties, not between them. Red counties will develop industries of their own, reduplicating what already exists on the other side, and the more the red counties invite corporations in the more they become like the blue counties. The result will be a lower standard of living and more aggravation all around. We won't know how much we benefitted from being part of the United States until we have lost it.

43 posted on 04/01/2023 5:48:25 PM PDT by x
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To: fr_freak

“Well, it’s either “secession” or “succession” (with two c’s) Either way, your spell check lied to you. Time to accept that your spell check is a communist disinformation agent.”

It’s kind of funny... I really like spell checkers. I never could spell even as a child 70 plus years ago. The only word I got down right was Aeroplane, and they changed that one.


44 posted on 04/01/2023 5:48:32 PM PDT by babygene (Make America Great Again)
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To: babygene

I did, but sorry, it just throws it off on such a a serious topic which is what the word is!

Were you using AI? So why not check the title of what is supposed to be your work?


45 posted on 04/01/2023 5:49:02 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMV.)
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To: babygene

Secession needs to be state by state, not county by county.


46 posted on 04/01/2023 5:51:18 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: x
People are going to be crossing boundaries everyday and going through customs every day. Goods crossing the border will be held up, inspected, and taxed.

You mean like between Canada and the USA?

LOL. Nice try FAIL.

47 posted on 04/01/2023 5:53:05 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: ought-six

So which part of UTAH will be at war with itself?


48 posted on 04/01/2023 5:55:20 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: babygene

“The withdrawal of a State from a league has no revolutionary or insurrectionary characteristic. The government of the State remains unchanged as to all internal affairs. It is only its external or confederate relations that are altered. To term this action of a Sovereign a ‘rebellion’ is a gross abuse of language.”


“Secession belongs to a different class of remedies. It is to be justified upon the basis that the States are Sovereign. There was a time when none denied it. I hope the time may come again, when a better comprehension of the theory of our Government, and the inalienable rights of the people of the States, will prevent any one from denying that each State is a Sovereign, and thus may reclaim the grants which it has made to any agent whomsoever.”


Jefferson Davis


49 posted on 04/01/2023 5:58:27 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

In the 20th century we had two examples with the dissolution of Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia. The former being accomplished peacefully and the latter violently.


50 posted on 04/01/2023 6:16:12 PM PDT by Retain Mike ( Sat Cong)
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To: Retain Mike

Lincoln was no angel, and should be replaced as presidential iconography. He oversaw the slaughter of 500,000 Americans. There is no speechifying that justifies that. If the North hated the South, why the desire for Union? It makes no sense… unless empire is the goal.


51 posted on 04/01/2023 11:03:41 PM PDT by freedomjusticeruleoflaw (Strange that a man with his wealth would have to resort to prostitution.)
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To: Jim Noble

You ignored the rule of law and Justice part.


52 posted on 04/01/2023 11:05:40 PM PDT by freedomjusticeruleoflaw (Strange that a man with his wealth would have to resort to prostitution.)
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To: babygene

I hope you are right. Farmland in our territory getting sold to the ChiComms does not help though.


53 posted on 04/02/2023 1:39:22 AM PDT by MachIV
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To: Retain Mike
It would have been an interesting dilemma, if Jefferson Davis had been able to order South Carolina not to fire on Fort Sumter.

Unfortunately, I don't think the CSA had formally organized its government at the time. South Carolina seceded before Lincoln even took office.

54 posted on 04/02/2023 5:57:05 AM PDT by TBP (Decent people cannot fathom the amoral cruelty of the Biden regime.)
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To: babygene

Greater Idaho Movement.... I know they’re voting that they WANT to leave. But can they? It requires approval from the state they’re a part of, the state they want to move to & the Federal Gov’t. Is that going to happen? No, I don’t think so.


55 posted on 04/02/2023 6:07:33 AM PDT by Twotone
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To: central_va

“So which part of UTAH will be at war with itself?”

It would be a free-for-all: The Mormons and the California transplants and all others, all fighting one another.


56 posted on 04/02/2023 7:23:35 AM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: ought-six

No it wouldn’t the State and it’s governor are still in charge. Get it?


57 posted on 04/02/2023 7:27:09 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: babygene

“They wouldn’t make it through 1 quarter without us.”

Sounds like the same kind of argument secessionists made prior to the civil war. England would ally with the Confederacy because England needed the South’s cotton. One Southerner defending his home was worth 10 Yankee hirelings.
Both of those arguments turned out to be wrong.
I expect your argument would also turn out to be wrong.


58 posted on 04/02/2023 7:45:57 AM PDT by snarkybob
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To: central_va

“No it wouldn’t the State and it’s governor are still in charge. Get it?”

Then you have no idea what a civil war is.


59 posted on 04/02/2023 3:48:38 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: ought-six

Secession is not war. A war can came after secession but it may not.


60 posted on 04/02/2023 4:10:11 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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