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Are We the Byzantines?
American Greatness ^ | 15 Mar, 2023 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 03/16/2023 5:16:32 AM PDT by MtnClimber

When Constantinople finally fell to the Ottomans on Tuesday, May 29, 1453, the Byzantine Empire and its capital had survived for 1,000 years beyond the fall of the Western Empire at Rome.

Always outnumbered in a sea of enemies, the Byzantines’ survival had depended on its realist diplomacy of dividing its enemies, avoiding military quagmires, and ensuring constant deterrence.

Generations of self-sacrifice ensured ample investment for infrastructure. Each generation inherited and improved on singular aqueducts and cisterns, sewer systems, and the most complex and formidable city fortifications in the world.

Brilliant scientific advancement and engineering gave the empire advantages like swift galleys and flame throwers—an ancient precursor to napalm.

The law reigned supreme for nearly a millennium after the emperor Justinian codified a prior thousand years of Roman jurisprudence.

Yet this millennium-old crown jewel of the ancient world that once was home to 800,000 citizens had only 50,000 inhabitants left when it fell.

There were only 7,000 defenders on the walls to hold back a huge Turkish army of over 150,000 attackers.

The Islamic winners took over the once magical city of Constantine and renamed it Istanbul. It had been the home of the renowned Santa Sophia, the largest Christian church in the world for over 900 years. Almost immediately, this “Church of the Holy Wisdom” was converted into the then largest mosque in the Islamic world, with minarets to follow.

So what happened to the once indomitable city fortress and its empire?

Christendom had cannibalized itself. Western Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy fought endlessly. Westerners often hated each other more than they did their common enemy.

In the final days of Constantinople, almost no help was sent from Western Europe to the besieged city.

In fact, 250 years earlier, the Western Franks of the Fourth Crusade had detoured...

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TOPICS: Society
KEYWORDS: collapse; vdh; victordavishanson
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1 posted on 03/16/2023 5:16:32 AM PDT by MtnClimber
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To: MtnClimber

At least the Byzantines did not just allow the islamist Ottomans to just walk in like we are doing.


2 posted on 03/16/2023 5:18:06 AM PDT by MtnClimber (For photos of Colorado scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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To: texas booster

VDH ping


3 posted on 03/16/2023 5:18:39 AM PDT by MtnClimber (For photos of Colorado scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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To: MtnClimber

I think we are Austria-Hungary — multiculturalism is killing us.


4 posted on 03/16/2023 5:19:13 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (“You want it one way, but it's the other way”)
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To: MtnClimber

I for one have no doubts about Professor Hanson’s question.
“Are We the Byzantines?”
YES!


5 posted on 03/16/2023 5:20:26 AM PDT by Tupelo (A House Divided Against Itself Cannot Stand)
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To: MtnClimber

Recently, we are more like Weimar Berlin with homosexuals and other perverts pouring out of the closet,


6 posted on 03/16/2023 5:25:00 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
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To: Tupelo
From Dr. Hanson: "The Byzantines never woke up in time to understand what they had become. So far neither have Americans."

As usual, VDH is chillingly accurate.

7 posted on 03/16/2023 5:27:47 AM PDT by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: MtnClimber

I once read an article about the fall of the western Roman Empire. The author listed all the usual reasons for it. Then he added one I hadn’t heard before.

He said the Roman Empire fell because its inhabitants believed it couldn’t fall. Such a thing just couldn’t happen. Impossible! So there was no need to take any corrective action. Party on!

I think that description pretty much fits us today.


8 posted on 03/16/2023 5:29:52 AM PDT by Leaning Right (The steal is real.)
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To: MtnClimber

Are We the Byzantines?

No, we are Sodom and Gomorrah, and will suffer the same fate.


9 posted on 03/16/2023 5:37:41 AM PDT by Flavious_Maximus (Tony Fauci will be put on death row and die of COVID!)
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To: MtnClimber

The Republic has failed because we were not able to keep it.


10 posted on 03/16/2023 5:37:56 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Make America Florida)
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To: ClearCase_guy

We are the feet of iron and clay.................


11 posted on 03/16/2023 5:39:06 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: MtnClimber

Istanbul not Constantinople
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALkjA1t8ibQ
Enjoy the ear worm


12 posted on 03/16/2023 5:50:12 AM PDT by griswold3 (Truth, Beauty and Goodness ; Quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat)
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To: MtnClimber

you got it. They were martyrs, while our leaders are traitors from within.


13 posted on 03/16/2023 5:51:33 AM PDT by imabadboy99
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To: ClearCase_guy
I think we are Austria-Hungary — multiculturalism is killing us.

The Kaiserliche und Königliche Monarchy of Austro-Hungary was not "killed" by allowing droves of barbarians to cross over its borders and into its unprotected lands unhindered.

Austro-Hungary did not invite hordes of unassimilable foreigners to come in and live off of the state treasury.

Austro-Hungary did not encourage sizable internal minorities to view themselves as a permanently wronged underclass, deserving of unlimited reparations.

Regards,

14 posted on 03/16/2023 5:58:50 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: MtnClimber

Perfect.


15 posted on 03/16/2023 5:59:44 AM PDT by moovova ("The NEXT election is the most important election of our lifetimes!“ LOL...)
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To: MtnClimber

We are far below the level of that bunch. They still knew the difference between men and women.


16 posted on 03/16/2023 6:04:36 AM PDT by Gnome1949
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To: MtnClimber
The muslims burned the library of Constantinople which destroyed the history of the world and brought on the dark ages. You are not allowed to know anything that does not magnify the current regime.
17 posted on 03/16/2023 6:18:01 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well those that did not make it back.)
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To: Tupelo
I disagree, our attack is from within, the Muslims had tried for 400 years to take Constantinople.
Istanbul is one of the most beautiful and delightful to the senses cities I have ever visited. There is a pretty good series on Netflex about the siege - Rise of Empires - The Ottomans
18 posted on 03/16/2023 6:26:20 AM PDT by Jolla
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To: MtnClimber

All civilizations fall. Follows a pattern. We are in process. Amazing how blind citizens for the most part are.


19 posted on 03/16/2023 6:27:28 AM PDT by xenia ( “The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it” George Orwell)
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To: Jolla

Agreed. The Enemy is within the gates. The Long March is succeeding.


20 posted on 03/16/2023 6:31:47 AM PDT by griswold3 (Truth, Beauty and Goodness ; Quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat)
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